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#38909 10/02/2003 5:15 AM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 8 Member | | Member Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 8 | What is the proper color of a Chevy 235 Thriftmaster engine in a 1955 1st series 3600 Pick up? Jim Carters catalog says 1929 -1962 all 235/216 truck engines are gray. Brothers truck catalog says 47-62 is gray. Chevy Duty catalog says the engines were only gray from 47 to 53 and that from 54 to 62 the color is BLUE like the car engines. Most general restoration catalogs like eastwoods etc that are not truck specific only sell blue and dont even mention gray engine paint. I posted on Carters Forum and a guy replied saying that in 1955 the truck engines were still grey and the cars were blue. What is it? blue or gray?
1955 1st series Chevy 3604 3/4T
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#38910 10/02/2003 5:24 AM | Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,887 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Jul 2001 Posts: 3,887 | hay Garda!! welcome to the garage - the engine color question comes up regularly, and is sometimes resolved by reference to this tech article by Robert Hensel from Pickups n Panelgo w/ gray Bill | | |
#38911 10/02/2003 4:49 PM | Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 2,773 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 2,773 | This is one of those issues where there isn't a definite answer, other than it was either blue or gray. I've seen original trucks of this vintage with both. For example, the chart linked to shows a 64 230 truck being orange. The one we owned had a blue engine, we bought it new. And our museum has a 64 pickup with a 230 is painted gray.
Fred 52 3600 69 C-10
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#38912 10/03/2003 3:19 AM | Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 129 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 129 | Engine colour is a hot topic. When I rebuilt the 235 I6 in my 59 6 or 7 years ago it was painted blue.
Last winter the entire truck was restored and this time the engine was painted grey. Most think the grey is correct for the truck engine.
My boss at work is convinced that his dad's brand new 59 had a light green 235. Most people agree that a 261 would have been green.
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#38913 10/03/2003 3:21 AM | Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 129 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 129 | Engine colour is a hot topic. When I rebuilt the 235 I6 in my 59 6 or 7 years ago it was painted blue.
Last winter the entire truck was restored and this time the engine was painted grey. Most think the grey is correct for the truck engine.
My boss at work is convinced that his dad's brand new 59 had a light green 235. Most people agree that a 261 would have been green.
Best of luck. | | |
#38914 10/03/2003 3:27 AM | Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 129 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 129 | | | |
#38915 10/03/2003 3:28 AM | Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 129 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Feb 2003 Posts: 129 | Something I noticed when comparing the two engines, neither has a heater hooked up! | | |
#38916 10/03/2003 7:36 AM | Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33 Apprentice | | Apprentice Joined: Jan 2003 Posts: 33 | I too have been wondering about this question (I'll be painting a '35 207). Does anyone have info on paint codes, color names, brands, etc. that would accurately describe the gray color? 1935 Chevrolet 1.5-ton 1963 Oldsmobile Dynamic 88 2-door 1965 **** F-250 1980 "Honda-Davidson" CB-750 Custom 1989 BMW 325i Convertible (wife's car)
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#38917 10/04/2003 3:05 AM | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 | Every time this topic is posted (about once every 2-3 months) I hesitate (for a second) to respond. This is a lot like discussing what is the one true religion (I think).
In an article in the November 1998 "Pickups 'n Panels in Print", Bob Adler states that PPG 34560 is a "fair current match" for the 216 and 235 (pre and post 1954) gray truck engines. Bob quotes Robert Hensel who quotes "Chevrolet Service New Bulletins".
The 261 was green in some years and yellow in other years and either green or yellow in transition years. The green was nice but I do not know a number. Jim Carter sells the green and his gray for the 235 looks a lot like the F..o..r..d engine gray.
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#38918 11/06/2003 3:07 PM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 8 Member | | Member Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 8 | Thanks for all the help. I just bought a reproduction of a book distributed by chevy about the engineering and redesign of the 1954 AD it mentions the fact that the thriftmaster engine is grey. Interesting book!
1955 1st series Chevy 3604 3/4T
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#38919 11/06/2003 4:47 PM | Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,745 Member | | Member Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,745 | My original, unrepainted '54 engine had these blue remnants left on it just like the color I painted it with from Chevy Duty. Might be incorrect but it is what my truck had from the factory. [img] http://www.angelswest.com/_borders/engine1.jpg[/img]
54 3100 with 235 62 flatbed dump C60 with 261
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#38920 11/06/2003 9:23 PM | Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 428 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 428 | I just had some PPG Concept matched to an NOS 216 timing cover and the correct gray from The Filling Station, which was real close to the cover. It's a lot darker blue-gray than the paint offered by suppliers such as Bill Hirsch. There has been lengthy discussions about this at the VCCA website. Chevy probably purchased large amounts of paint from different suppliers over the years so I don't think you could come up with a standard color. Anyways, the number on the can is DCC 36304, Dark Gray. | | |
#38921 11/07/2003 3:01 AM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 8 Member | | Member Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 8 | [IMG]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0UwDWArIY1vKHX11O4yX5lM7evjrNMiyk4INuE2numIlQJuht8QV6YOvaKdw9UQROKlwzkmcoDze6iEBsa!wGeUYmt*uPfL3a*AS31lGXJaAwGcwSr7UeROQt5deOp0TY/235-3.jpg?dc=46 75446111762493046[/IMG] [IMG]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VgDLAlEaZHkE9xglfzpitmWVEwQj1VCVDHag9lEyxz5UWo7g78yq7Nd*9JdkywwvrIDMbt9GKxUUdu9NdtNYAJrdWZKZHuqivR7pL!yb0wrlesXa2CUvrJGvd!3Jfm*g/Chevy235.jpg?dc =4675446108665253736[/IMG] [IMG]http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0WgDWAvwbyQgE9xglfzpitmjglClcYWxQPYXfKLtopFXdmZQHzSidNwkQXmLr24kyxhfO*7jololCTitzEmljAXTG7LYm62jEc48s00FsC!5BsLOjSrm6qXzagKNfebpj8R2jKEthmb4/Chev y235book.jpg?dc=4675446108666823785[/IMG]
1955 1st series Chevy 3604 3/4T
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#38922 11/07/2003 3:06 AM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 8 Member | | Member Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 8 | Well that last attempt to post pictures sure didn't work did it? Maybe this will work... Engine Data
1955 1st series Chevy 3604 3/4T
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#38923 11/07/2003 10:59 AM | Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 85 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 85 | I picked up a '63 292 core that was kind of a Robin's Egg Green. I hear it's close to Detroit Diesel Green. Was this the only year for the green? And did GM not go to a healthy Chevy Engine Orange until '67?
Every 25 years I like to rebuild that 292 just for GP
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#38924 11/07/2003 6:54 PM | Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,458 Extreme Gabster | | Extreme Gabster Joined: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,458 | The 261 was the same green color. It was a way to tell the differance between it and the smaller six without having to read the casting numbers.
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