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#380112 02/26/2008 2:32 AM
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Hi everyone, I was wondering if any one has replaced the side plates on their truck? What are they made of? How do you rivet them back on?

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You have a 40's truck?

If you replace them mild steel is probably fine, depending on use. The original was probably a better grade of steel though.

I have not replaced those plates, but I did replace a bunch of 3/8" rivets in my 48 2 ton frame.
It is not real simple, but not impossible.
Would be nice to have the proper tools, an air powered rivet hammer with the correct concave die/punch to form the rivet head.
I made my own die/punch, or what ever you call it, for use in an an air hammer, Also made a heavy piece of steel with a concave to fit the rivet head and back it up while forming a head on the other end with the air hammer.

It worked good for me, takes two people, one to hold the backup piece, called a rivet buck, and one to heat the rivet held with a pair of tongs in front of the torch to bright red heat, install it, and form the head with the air hammer.

I have been told that a true rivet hammer acts different than the air hammer I used, and would make the process easier.

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Sounds like it was a good idea to me. I do have an air hammer/chisel. I guess I could look into renting a rivet hammer since I have so many to do. How big was your backup tool? How long were the rivets you used? Why didn't you heat the rivet end with it already installed? Thanks for your help.

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Right, I used an air hammer/chisel, a really good Snap-On one, I doubt a lesser one would do it fast enough, as speed is the key.

I did about two dozen on my frame, and about that many on an old Hudson frame where I worked at a restoration shop, all with the same setup.

My backup tool was a 2" diameter cold rolled round bar about 7" long, tapered on the end to the cup the shape of the rivet head, where I had room I held a small sledge hammer behind it to add mass. In some places I used a similar one with the cup offset to one side as far as possible. Yet other places I had a foot long 1.5" square bar with the cup formed on the side near one end, this I clamped to the frame over the rivet head with vice grips where none of the others would fit.
You want the biggest backup tool you can fit within reason.

The rivets I used were long enough to poke out about 1.5 times the rivet diameter. Plan on buying long and cutting to length if needed. You will have to practice forming a few to see how much you need to allow for your forming tool to turn into a rivet head.

I bought rivets from http://www.mcmaster.com/ search for "solid rivets" look for round head plain steel ones. Or catalog page 3227, or for 3/8" rivets 1" long use part number 97300A727.
If you need longer or odd size or special rivets then go to http://www.bigflatsrivet.com/ expect to pay a bunch more.
They also some of the tools you would need http://www.bigflatsrivet.com/tools.html

Why didn't you heat the rivet end with it already installed?
Because the cool frame sucks all the heat out of the rivet shank, and at best you will only get it hot enough to half form the head. Then you cut it off, punch out the left overs, and start over. You want to get the rivet as hot as you can without melting or burning it, then as quick as you can poke it in the frame, and squish it to shape before and as it cools. If you don't get it all done at once it is difficult to heat the head in place and finish the job, but you can sometimes finish the last little bit and help the appearance with a second attempt.

To heat the rivet I had a little bracket clamped to the truck frame right beside where I was working, the torch rested in the bracket, and I brought the rivet to the torch with a pair of tongs. You don't even have time to turn off the torch..

Now, the proper way to set the rivets is cold, with a huge hydraulic press, but that is impractical for you and I to do at home. I have seen a new riveting machine for sale that would form 3/8" cold steel rivets, but the price tag was a little steep, and it would take up a fair amount of shop space.

Grigg


1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
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"First, get a clear notion of what you desire to accomplish, and then in all probability you will succeed in doing it..." -Henry Maudslay-
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Thanks for the info I think I can tackle this now. Time to go make some tools and get the rivets.


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