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#34150 10/24/2004 8:10 PM | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 18 Apprentice | | Apprentice Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 18 | I'm fixin' to swap three speeds: A long one (Muncie?) to a short one (Saginaw?). Any hints on mating up the linkages?
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#34151 10/27/2004 1:51 AM | Joined: May 2003 Posts: 224 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: May 2003 Posts: 224 | if its from a 60's truck, i believe that it came originally with a muncie. heres how you can tell............the plate that has the two shifting arms on it bolts onto the tranny with four bolts, the saginaw bolts on with seven. muncie trannies were painted blue...saginaws werent painted. (at least i havent seen one painted) Also, muncies ARE shorter than the saginaws by about 3 inches, someone here told me they are the same length but theyre not, i have both. they share the same bellhousing tho. i hope this helps | | |
#34152 10/27/2004 3:01 AM | Joined: May 2003 Posts: 224 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: May 2003 Posts: 224 | if its from a 60's truck, i believe that it came originally with a muncie. heres how you can tell............the plate that has the two shifting arms on it bolts onto the tranny with four bolts, the saginaw bolts on with seven. muncie trannies were painted blue...saginaws werent painted. (at least i havent seen one painted) Also, muncies ARE shorter than the saginaws by about 3 inches, someone here told me they are the same length but theyre not, i have both. they share the same bellhousing tho. i hope this helps | | |
#34153 10/27/2004 9:08 PM | Joined: Jan 2000 Posts: 1,586 Extreme Gabster | | Extreme Gabster Joined: Jan 2000 Posts: 1,586 | I have had many Muncie 3 spd and Saginaw 3 and 4 spds,all the ones I saw are the same length, 21 inches from the front of the case to the end of the tailhousing. The Saginaw has a fine spline output shaft. | | |
#34154 10/28/2004 2:24 AM | Joined: May 2003 Posts: 224 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: May 2003 Posts: 224 | well, i could be wrong about the lengths, but i would sure like to see a pick of both of them to see which one i have in my trucks. | | |
#34155 10/28/2004 11:06 AM | Joined: Jan 2000 Posts: 1,586 Extreme Gabster | | Extreme Gabster Joined: Jan 2000 Posts: 1,586 | Here's a photo of a few trannys laying in my barn.The one on top is a Saginaw 4 speed,identical to the 3 spd in appearance except for the 3rd shift lever.The bottom tranny is a Muncie 3spd,this particular unit is from a late 50's truck. Some Muncies have a provision for a rear mount as used for cars. Some trucks used what's called a heavy duty 3 spd,I've never seen one, but I believe they are a Warner unit, maybe a T-85 Transmissions | | |
#34156 10/29/2004 2:00 AM | Joined: May 2003 Posts: 224 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: May 2003 Posts: 224 | thanx for the pic, ive never seen a muncie 3 speed like that before. ill have to get a pic of my 64 three speed, looks almost like that muncie, but much shorter. ill get one of my "saginaw" as well, its in a 75 sports van. thanks again, it helped me out at least. | | |
#34157 10/30/2004 5:17 PM | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 18 Apprentice | | Apprentice Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 18 | Thanks folks for your words. I'm curious mostly about shifting linkages. I've got a Sag 3 speed in there now, (as of three days ago) and am shifting with a Cheapo brand shifter that came with the trans. I'd like hints on putting everything back on the column, just 'cause I think it looks better. I've got bits and pieces of a couple of Hursts, and I may just put one back together and go that route. Incidentally: my new trans, the Sag, allegedly out of a 68 Camaro, is the same length as the stock 63 Muncie, has the same input splines, but fine (28) output splines. I had to junkyard another yoke ($10, $8 for a new U joint.)
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