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I paid $2.59 for a gallon of super yesterday. I passed by a Shell station that was selling it for $2.69

It is $1.84 for regular here but $4.54 in Beleze

Yesterday morning $1.79. Yesterday evening $1.86

$1.79 for medium grade yesterday; the Geo Prism will run on that. My Dodge truck will not run on anything but 93 octane; it's $2.09 a gallon right now, hence the reason for driving the Geo.

Well, $2.69 for super is $2.49 for regular.
I wonder how long before we see $3.00 for super. Oil prices were over $54 a barrel for a while yesterday.

Wow! I thought we had the highest prices... $2.03 for regular this morning.

Fred, is that why you said you wouldn't want to retire in Beleze?

That would be just one reason,,did not see anything close to a AD truck..Fred

Man o man! Don't get me started on this one! San Diego boasts highest prices in the country. Was on yesterdays front page. I can't afford to drive my truck right now. I've been driving my Poncho until I find a T5 for the truck.
Over the summer the excuses were: Demand's up and it costs more to truck it to San Diego. Prices will go down after summer. Now it's: Doing refinery maintenance and it costs more to truck it to San Diego. What about friggin' Wisconsin or Iowa? Doesn't it cost to truck it there?!!
And as soon as a barrel of oil increases in price, gas goes up a nickel the next day or the same day. There are many millions, billions of barrels in reserve no? Are we using that $54 barrel of oil right away? I think not! Daaaaahhhh !!
It's all a friggin' scam. Yeah I know we pay less than other countries but, so what. You can't tell me this is not scam. Believe me, Chevron is recouping the cost of that barrel of oil and then PLENTY of profit on top of that!

welllll... how about 93.9cents a LITRE (about a US Quart) for the regular stuff. 104.9 for the premium stuff my wife car has to have. Quite yer bitchin' about a buck and a half a gallon..even if it is a little US gallon!!!!
There is a place 50kms from here that has it at 86cents.. fill up there every time we go by.
Fatfenders- Turn right at the light at the Burger King in Duncan...Look for the Esso

That's not that bad!

$1.15 per litre, or $4.37 per US gallon.

Or about $3.50 per US gallon in US $$.

Fred,

Belize is a wonderful place. I cannot wait to go back. Drop me a line to chat about it!

By the way - did you include the exchange rate? If not - that would nearly knock the price in half of what you reported.

Oh - I did see a few old chevs out in the jungle at a little village. Looked like they were from the 60's - big bolts.

- Ryan

Three weeks ago, (last time I pumped 40 gallons) Diesel was 1.79 in SW Florida. 2.19 last night when I filled it again. Guess I'm gonna be competing with the heating oil folks thru the rest of the winter.

I heard in the news people that heat their houses with oil are in for a rough winter.
Kind of like I was screwed with the natural gas prices last year.

We still get gas on base for $2.27.. about .10c less than out in town (regular).

The Gas mileage in my plymouth has been improving slowly since i moved 3 months ago... it used to be 25mpg all the time, it bumped up to 27, then 28, now it is just over 30.... I think it is because i'm driving across the base at 35-55 mph vice down the freeway at 70-75...

another thing is I skip 2nd and 4th gears... when up shifting.. and get into 5th gear asap.... all the lugging of the engine has probably carboned up the cylinders and raised the compression ratio, making the car more efficient.

I wish The Ox would get this kind of gas mileage.

Gas prices are Up. Yep!
$2.59

I normally never complain because it could be so much worse. We are getting to the point where so much worse is not going to be that bad. Soon the price of gas will be the same here as everywhere else and then what will we have to say?

I knew when I bought my new truck this was going to happen and budgeted accordingly.

I still dont like it.

No doubt about it staying out of the throttle saves gas. Now about your compression theory.... :rolleyes:

Ryan, glad that you liked Beleze,, the guide in our van bought gas and he stated that was U.S. money....Fred

Gas here in western NY state is 2 bucks a gallon for brand name regular and $2.30 for Sunoco 93 octane.You guys on the West Coast have to make do with 91 octane, huh?
I notice the people who [censored] the most about fuel prices have vehicles getting poor mileage, no surprise there.
No natural gas service in available to my house,fuel oil is $1.50 right now.I think from late October to April,we average about 125 gallons a month for this drafty 1860's house,we don't operate on a budget, so I don't keep track to well.

$2.35 for my last tank of regular....



But you know the funny thing? We still have just as much TRAFFIC as we ever had! At some point the price is gonna have to cut down on the amount of cars on the road. For me it's about $5.00 per gallon. Then I'll just walk everywhere....

$1.21 / L regular (91)
$1.26 / L super (96)

JYF .. I think it will require a major lifestyle change for many people to stop using their vehicles .
Like getting work just around the corner , not 50 miles away , local store on the corner , not 1/2 hr drive to the supermarket etc , etc .

Then the whole car industry that half the world relys on for income will be gone !!

What's with the big jump in diesel prices? It used to be 20-30 cents cheaper than regular. Now it's at least 10 cents higher.

Pretty soon biodiesel won't seem so expensive,

Eat more beans and sit on the carburetor....

I need to buy a Metro. Both of my cars drink premium, and the truck will probably want it if I ever get it finished. :rolleyes:

The only way around the gas prices is to buy oil stocks. If you can't beat them buy ther stocks.

Maybe we need to start a thread on alternative fuel conversions. Anybody see that PBS special on hydrogen fuel a while back? It was a real eye opener. Iceland is generating electricity from thermodynamic (volcanic, hot springs, etc) sources and using the electricity to generate hydrogen from seawater. They are on a national plan to become 100% hydrogen fueled within a few years and to become a major exporter after that.

Some fella (here in U.S. - the guy that invented the lithium battery 20 years ago) has developed a metal foam substance that bonds the hydrogen and when an electric current is applied, releases it. That means you don't need a high pressure tank of a highly volatile gas. (Don't need 100 million Hindenburgs running up and down the road!) This guy's vision for his invention is that automakers will fill cavities, like frame components with it. It will add structural integrity to the frame and double as a safe fuel tank.

A few years ago a prominent national leader (won't mention any names... don't wanna go there!) called for the US to pursue a national hydrogen fuel program. Nothing has come of it, and I wonder if the backbiting nature of politics here has caused this person to focus on political survival over other concerns. Maybe after the elections are history we'll hear about it again.

Guys, don't turn that last bit political on me. This post is about FUELS. (not fools) :p

I'm all for alternative fuels. The hurdle is to overcome the big bucks oil cartels, car manufacturers etc. I know or have faith we can do it but any inventions etc will be bought up and shelved until the big bucks companies figure out a way to make us pay for it just as much as we pay now. Alternative fuels,yes.....at a cost savings,no, the big guys will make sure of that. Regardless of what you say money talks loud and until we get the greedy lawyer/legislatures out of office nothing is going to change! How many of them know what a manufacturing job or "hands on" job is like and how many of them know what its like to spend 25% of your weeks wages to fill up a silverado pickup??? Someone mentioned not to make this a polictical thread and I agree but if you want to find the root cause of the problem you have to "look". Next thing is the consumers can make all the difference. You can bet I don't drive the 37 or any of our vehicles unless we have to. Get the loaf of bread on the way home or do without it until tomorrow!! I better stop here!!

fuel prices are one reason I am considering a bio-diesel solution... I got my new truck diesel so I could move that way...

-Mike R.

When I was in Europe recently I noticed all cars are very small, built very light and are diesels. Most are well under 100 hp and get great mileage. That is where we are heading.

A long time ago I used to drive a BMW 320i over there that was converted to propane with only minor carburator modifications. It would run on either propane or gas with a flick of the switch. Now propane isn't cheap anymore either and it fell out of favor.

Diesel here in Oklahoma City has hit $2.00 for the first time ever!!! Regular is hovering between $1.76 and $1.88, with mid-grade and premium about $.08 and $.16/gallon higher, respectively. Our fuel has gone up an average of one cent/day for 31 days...Back in May, Diesel was over fifty cents cheaper than regular gas; now it's over a quarter more/gallon!

In the Summer, higher fuel costs are blamed on the "summer driving season", whatever the hell that is! I drive year-round, personally! In the Winter, it's blamed on the "winter heating season". Natural gas costs are driving utility bills in OK up from 17-25% more this Winter.

I'm all for "alternate' fuels. BUT, there has to be affordability, availability, and economy and feasibility of production before that happens (common sense!). Government fiat and wishful thinking aren't going to make that happen. The environmental wackos in this country have made it all but impossible to drill, explore, build new refineries (last one in the US: 1974!!!), transport, etc. The EPA requires over 80(!) different blends of gasoline to meet their dictates nationwide, so fuel blended for Atlanta can't be sold to Los Angeles when a crisis occurs. People are real quick to blame Big Oil, but you'd better take a look at the Sierra Club, Greenpeace, the EPA, the Energy Department, the Sate of California, and many others before blaming the oil companies for these higher prices.

So what your saying is that all gasoline should meet California standards right?

Lowering consumption is the way to go.

More and more business/commercial/residential development is leaning toward pedestrian/alternative types of transportation friendly(transit oriented development). It will take a while but people will adapt, new fuels will become readily available and affordable. Patience.

but for now..
GEEEZ.. were gettin up there in price.

About them diesel prices jumping -- yeah! Last time I put fuel in the CumminsBolt I paid about $1.85 (about two weeks ago). Today, I noticed it was $2.19 and I dropped my teeth (my plate doesn't fit that good anyway...). My guess is the jump corresponds to predictions of a cold winter here on the Right Coast and that Heating oil and Diesel Fuel are the same thing.

And I just picked up a 250-gallon diesel tank for the farm. I guess it'll be a looooooong time before I fill it....

Biodoesel is the way to go.

Anybody see that article on the hydrogen fuel truck that was in Farm Show Magazine a few months back? They've run an over-the-road tractor trailer rig about 100,000 miles on $10 worth of fuel or something phenomenal like that. Actually, you may not have heard of it as the Exxon Hit Squad has probably already executed the entire test team and destroyed the truck.

John

Not no, but hell, no! on the Cali standards!!! The CA fuel isn't work the match to ignite it, and the MTBE that the CARB mandated several years ago for gasoline out there (and used in several other states until recently) did wonders for the environment, wreaking havoc on eco-systems and water tables all over, plus the damage it caused to fuel systems in vehicles. Yeah, those California bureaucrats have the right idea, all right!

Conservation is only one aspect of a total energy plan, the other aspects must include exploration, drilling, development, and infrastructure to process the product. Coal, natural gas, and nuclear must also be included. Once again, wishful thinking and government decrees, and wind power are NOT the answer here! As alternative sources are developed, then they can be brought online as part of the total energy plan. Automobiles are only one small compomnent of fossil fuel usage. The manufacture of plastics and artificial building products consume huge quantities of fuel. The truth is that our economy, our commerce, and our world revolve around fossil fuel, like it or not. Until an alternative(s) is/are developed and are ECONOMICALLY FEASIBLE, we MUST develop known sources of crude and explore for more. Some things are just plain and simple, and this is one of them.

Anyone out there have an alternative that's ecomically feasible, today, now??? Bring it on, and be the next Rockefeller of the energy world. If not, you just have to deal with what you have now. Again, it's just that simple.

And my Bolt will run on good ol' hi-test for as long as I can get it!

What was that old movie where Doug McClure fixed up a still for fuel on a decrepit bus, and drove a bunch of orphans and nuns to escape from the Japanese in WWII?

Maybe I'll do something like that to the old panel...

Well, here's a few places to start:

Ethanol

Ethanol Resources on the Web

Make Your Own Fuel

And for those with diesel engines:

Make Your Own Biodiesel

You read in the papers about people getting arrested for having a meth lab in a vehicle. I wonder what they'd say about a still?

It's not the gas prices that disturb me so.
It's that gas station coffee.

Actually, it has been legal since the late 70s or early 80s for people to set up a still for fuel production. You need to get a permit and keep records (and have procedures to prevent "diversion" to non-fuel uses). The permit process is done through the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax and Trade Bureau . You don't pay taxes on fuel alcohol.

The Department of Energy has a page of resources; Making and Using Your Own Ethanol: Reading and Resource List