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This one is a windsor
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Luke, Mapquest tells me that Windsor to Cleveland is only 170 miles. It's an honest mistake.

How are GM guys supposed to know what you are talking about? By the way, that Cleveland was a great motor. I can not say how I know this but trust me, they are good motors.

I guess we,ll give credit where credit is due. In 1979 the cleveland engine went undefeated in Pro Stock N.H.R.A. drag racing by who? B-- -------.

Glidden

A police officer owned it and drove it but it doesn't have a title? Sounds legit to me.

Old 55, that would be Bob Glidden or something like that.The early Clevelands were good runners, the later smogged version and especially the M models were gutless block crackers.I believe the Cleveland was discontinued around 1980 and the Windsor was the engine of choice.

Bob Glidden is back in action this weekend at the NHRA Finals in Pomona, CA (Driving a MOPAR!)

I thought the cleveland was introduced about '71 and went out in '75. Good motor, but didn't really have a place in **** 's engine lineup at the time. I think the 351C was based on the 302, and the 351W was based on the larger engines. Different firing order, water jackets, 351C and 351W/M are supposed to be a lot different.

351C is a low deck, canted valve design. The heads appear similar to the 429/460 or a BBC. It is no kin to the 260/289/302/351W family of inline valve engines. 351C has 8-bolt valve covers, 351W has 6-bolt valve covers. The 351M/400 tall deck is a variant in the Cleveland family, but doesn't lend itself to hot-rodding like the 351C.
The 70&71 4 Barrel (351C-4V) was available with quench heads and the monster ports (You could fit a pack of cigs down the intake ports), but in 72 they were replaced by open-chamber heads, still with the large ports. 2 barrel heads had much smaller ports and open chambers, as did the 351M/400. The 351C survived until 1974; in 1975 it was replaced with the 351M/400.
The Boss 351 , a specialized 351C-4V with screw-in studs, hotter cam, etc., was really the most streetable of the 3 Bosses (302, 351, and 429). It had a generous torque curve and plenty of breathing for the top-end.
More about ***** than some of you wanted to know, but it the 351C-4V is a good engine and worthy of respect.

Frud has "IN STOCK" a half set of main bearings (the lower half :rolleyes: ) for the 400M (Morphedite).
Apparently the upper half does not wear like the lower half does.
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Seeing that upper radiator hose with the thermostat laying sideways in the intake manifold reminded me of a bad experience I had this past week.

My service truck at work is a 96 F**d with a 5.8L (351 Windsor). I noticed that the thermostat was not closing and I just about froze when the weather turned cold. I procured a new thermostat and gasket and proceeded to install them. Being lazy, I did not remove the upper radiator hose as it had one of those spring-type clamps that I didn't feel like messing with. BAD IDEA!!!!

In the process on installing the new thermostat, it slipped down out of the groove and when I tightened the housing bolts, I heard the sickening snap of aluminum cracking. Our local F**d dealer wanted $98.00 (yes $98.00) for a new housing. Luckily a buddy of mine who runs F**ds let me have for $5.00. The next time I was VERY careful when installing the thermostat.

Whoever thought the thermostat should lay on its side should have had his head examined. Maybe this was some bean counter's sick idea of how to make extra bucks.

Carl - You are a long way from the first guy to crack a thermostat housing because it was misaligned. Cast iron or cast aluminum, they are all vulnerable when the thermostat is off the lip or they are cockeyed.

A lot of engines have sideways thermostats. Even the Perkins turbo diesel in my dad's boat has one.