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| | | | | Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 121 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 121 | Will check that out when I have help. | | | | | Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,435 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,435 | There is no ground on a stock horn which has 2 wires. Ground is supplied by the horn button.
'57 GMC 102, Original 347 V8, HydraMatic, 3.08 rear gear, added A/C, disk front brakes, HEI, AFB carb, '98 Honda Black Currant paint. T-boned and totaled 10/12 '52 GMC 152 Stake Bed, Original 228, SM420, added A/C, HEI, disk front brakes, '67 Chev 3.55 rear gear. Gets used as a real truck.
| | | | | Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 121 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 121 | I have the stock horn mounted on the manifold in front of the carburetor with 2 wires going to it. One is red and the other is black. I wonder if my issue might be at the steering wheel where the horn button is located. | | | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,684 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,684 | It's possible. First, check to see if your horn actually works by using a couple jumper wires directly from the battery
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,684 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,684 | After you jump the horn and confirm that it functions, look at the wire inside the steering column.
About 2/3 the way up, the wire enters the column and is connected with a bullet connector or spade connector.
Hot wire it from that point. If it works, the problem is with your horn button and associated components on the steering wheel.
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | | Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 121 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 121 | I ran power direct from the battery to the horn and it blows loud and clear. Ready to check at the steering wheel. How do you get the horn pad off to get to the horn parts at that location? I'm thinking when I press the horn pad it is not grounding like it should. | | | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,684 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,684 | It just pries off with a small flat screwdriver.
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | | Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 21 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 21 | Jumping on this recent thread as working on my horn. I have a 6 volt positive ground ‘51 GMC. I just tested the relay and the horn and got the horn to honk by touching a wire from the “S” of my relay to ground. Once upon a time my horn button worked so I think my issue is the wire going down the steering column. (it’s the last piece of cloth wire on my truck…everything else is replaced with plastic insulated wire). Any tips on running a replacement? Should I use #10 AWG so the ground is good? I’m worried my old wire will break as I pull the new wire through. Also, I’m not sure I’m Hooked up correctly. Here are some tests I’ve done: - I tested my relay as per this site ( https://devestechnet.com/Home/ADWiringSystem ) and also bypassed my horn button to get the honking - There are 2 wires on the horn, one is connected to the hot wire of the voltage regulator and the other is grounded. - I disconnected both wires and tested ground from the horn body (none) and from each of the terminals on the horn (none) - I found continuity across the 2 terminals of the horn - wiring diagram shows that I should be getting hot from the Ammeter but I’m getting it off the voltage regulator. Should I change this?
1951 GMC with positive ground. Engine is a ‘54 Chevy passenger car (Serial Number 0024472F54Z) with a ‘56 head (casting code on top of head 3836848 GM 4), Casting Code (on passenger side on side of head B56 848 850)
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 10,997 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 10,997 | Once upon a time my horn button worked so I think my issue is the wire going down the steering column. (it’s the last piece of cloth wire on my truck…everything else is replaced with plastic insulated wire).
Any tips on running a replacement? Should I use #10 AWG so the ground is good? I’m worried my old wire will break as I pull the new wire through. Use the same size wire up thru the steering column. The only load on the ground wire to the button is the relay coil, which is minimal, and definitely doesn't need #10. You'll need to remove the steering shaft bushing from the column to make the connection to it. This means your relay is set up correctly. - There are 2 wires on the horn, one is connected to the hot wire of the voltage regulator and the other is grounded. If it's connected to hot and ground, it should be blowing constantly. The relay must be between the regulator and the horn. - I disconnected both wires and tested ground from the horn body (none) and from each of the terminals on the horn (none) That means the terminals on the horn are isolated from ground, which should be correct. - I found continuity across the 2 terminals of the horn Means that the windings in the horn motor are OK. - wiring diagram shows that I should be getting hot from the Ammeter but I’m getting it off the voltage regulator. Should I change this? Doesn't really matter where the power is coming from, but as in above, it needs to go thru the relay.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 121 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2016 Posts: 121 | Otto, What size is the nut that holds the steering wheel on and is it SAE or Metric? I have a new top plate and contact spring I want to install. ray durham | | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 10,997 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 10,997 | I'm not Otto, but the steering wheel nut is definitely SAE. But I don't have the size handy. I'm going to guess 3/4" or so.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,684 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,684 | And he thanks the Lord every day for that.
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 10,997 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 10,997 |
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 21 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 21 | Today I decided to try adjusting my horn points because it barely makes a sound. More like the bleating of a lamb!
I took the horn out and took the horn apart and found the points touching so I checked the air gap, sanded the points contacts and adjusted them to spec (0.027”). Then I tried a direct contact to the battery and nothing. Then I hooked it up in my truck as before going through the relay and still nothing. Not even the bleating
I guess I need to go back to square one and test for continuity and/or resistance across the terminals? Maybe my previous test was faulty because the points were touching and I never actually tested the horn’s coil….
Suggestions appreciated
1951 GMC with positive ground. Engine is a ‘54 Chevy passenger car (Serial Number 0024472F54Z) with a ‘56 head (casting code on top of head 3836848 GM 4), Casting Code (on passenger side on side of head B56 848 850)
| | | | | Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 21 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 21 | Tested voltage as I press horn button and getting 6 volts. Testing for continuity across terminals on horn and getting nothing now that I adjusted my points gap so I’m assuming the horn is shot.
1951 GMC with positive ground. Engine is a ‘54 Chevy passenger car (Serial Number 0024472F54Z) with a ‘56 head (casting code on top of head 3836848 GM 4), Casting Code (on passenger side on side of head B56 848 850)
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 10,997 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 10,997 | If it won't honk when fed 6V directly from the battery, then the problem is at the horn itself. I could double check the points, maybe hit them with some spray contact cleaner. With the points closed you could measure across the terminals with an ohmmeter. If you get an open circuit (infinite resistance, the coil in the horn is shot. But if it was bleating previously, that means the coil is OK.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | |
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