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#15871 05/16/2005 11:55 AM
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Here's a problem that just showed up on the modified GMC 302 I just built.
Once the engine is fully warmed up,it has a slight random misfire at idle.When the engine is warming up,the misfire is absent even with the engine unchoked.This engine has a moderate cam,idles at 700 rpm with a slight lope.It idles along normally for let's say 10 seconds,then has a putt putt misfire,then another few seconds,one misfire,then a few secons another misfire or two,no pattern to it,totaly random.But if I increase the idle speed to just above 1000 rpm,the misfire is gone
Everything is new or properly rebuilt,no vacuum leaks,points are fine,as is the plug wires and plugs.I checked the valve adjustment,even loosened the valves a little,no difference,No signs of a valve sticking in the guide,no worn cam lobes.I checked the compression with a warm engine several times,165 psi across the board,all cylinders with a few psi of each other.
On the road the engine runs very smooth and strong from idle to redline,it'll pull from 1000 rpm in high gear without a burp.No misfire during part throttle crusing or full wide open throttle.
I tried different plugs,no difference even with Iridium type.All the plug wires have less than 800 ohms resitance,no signs of carbon tracking on the cap.
If the misfire was consistant,I could put a finger on it,this problem just started,wasn't there for the first 800 miles.
The only thing I can suspect is a bad condensor(Mallory) on my home made dual point conversion.
Do you think the engine cylinder pressure simply is too much for a points type ignition to handle at idle?Ya know,with the hotter cam causing problems with the idle mixture as they often do,a cylinder or two fails to light on occasion?.Maybe now the rings are fully seated more compression than during the first 600-800 miles.
I'm old school,but maybe it's time for a MSD or similar multi spark ignition system?

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What about your carb(s). I'm sure that you are probably running multiple carbs, but how are they? What kind? The reason I ask is I had this type of miss for years until this weekend when I replaced my Rochester B for a Carter YF. Miss is gone.


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'51 Chevy 3104 w/'56 235, 848 Head, HEI Dizzy, Corvette Cam, Split Manifold and Dual Carter YF's
#15873 05/16/2005 1:41 PM
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Holley 390 cfm 4bbl on a Patrick's intake.I carefully checked the carb,disassembled the metering block,looked for junk in the idle restriction jets.
The engine must be fully warmed up for the misfire which eliminates a lean condition at idle since it idles well when partially warmed up.
I suspect ignition,the tach needle flickers ever so slightly with the misfire.

#15874 05/16/2005 11:58 PM
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Hmmm .. sounds like a coil or condenser problem to me .

#15875 05/17/2005 12:07 AM
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Dusty,I replaced the condensor earlier today,the problem has cleared up,good call.
Interesting, I buy a supposed quality Mallory brand name condensor that slowly goes bad and replaced it with a unknown condensor that was laying in a pile of parts.


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