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Mod | | Forums66 Topics126,776 Posts1,039,271 Members48,100 | Most Online2,175 Jul 21st, 2025 | | | Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 92 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 92 | there are 2 starwheel openings per backing plate. i can't get any rotation from either starwheel, sitting 75 years with only 3000 miles i guess its to be expected they are seized up. for example, which direction does the starwheel turn to back off the shoe using the front opening front left wheel? top away or top toward you? thx 4 any help.
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To LOOSEN brakes, the star wheels need to be rotated COUNTER CLOCKWISE relative to the cylinder as if you're looking at them from the ends.
To TIGHTEN brakes, the star wheels need to be rotated CLOCKWISE
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| | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 5,684 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 5,684 | You asked for a diagram. Atr the top of the driveline forum it says Tech Tips. There is a tip for adjusting Huck Brakes with pictures. https://www.stovebolt.com/ubbthread...adjustment-guide-huck-brakes#Post1499231
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy) 1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1956 Cadillac Sixty Special Fleetwood (The Godfather) | 1966 Oldsmobile Toronado (The Purple Knif) | 1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe | 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,696 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,696 | Nice drawing Otto. Thanks for pointing it out.
Craig My '50 Chevy 3100 5 window, '62-235cu, 3:55 rear My truck ....... Respect The Rust If I'm not working on my truck, '65 m00stang or VW camper, I'm fishing with the wife or smoking Salmon.
| | | | Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,139 Authorized Pest | Authorized Pest Joined: Apr 2004 Posts: 5,139 | That drawing actually came from John Milliman. Glad Otto remembered it and posted the link. 
~ Peggy M 1949 Chevrolet 3804"Charlie" - The Stovebolt FlagshipIn the Gallery || In the Gallery Forum"I didn't see this one coming. I don't see much of anything coming. :-O" | | | | Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 92 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 92 | shoe adjustment = starwheel lefty loosey - righty tighty relative to end of cylinder makes perfect common sense. i believe i got it. thx. | | | | Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 854 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 854 | Do NOT break off the stars from the star wheel. With a straw on the aerosol can, squirt some penetrating oil into the threads of the adjuster. You'll have to estimate where it is. Work it back and forth until it comes loose. Then rotate it in the loosen direction. if you can't get them loose try pulling the drum off the shoes without loosening the adjustment. With only 3,000 miles on the drums this should be at least possible if not easy. With worn drums it's all but impossible to get the drums off without loosening the adjustment. I have done it but don't remember exactly how. You don't want to have to figure this out. 1951 3800 1-ton"Earning its keep from the get-go"In the DITY Gallery1962 261 (w/cam, Fenton headers, 2 carbs, MSD ign.), SM420 & Brown-Lipe 6231A 3spd aux. trans, stock axles & brakes. Owned since 1971. | | | | Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 92 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 92 | It sat in museum 10 years, i knew the shoes been dragging the drums ever since i got it loaded couple weeks ago. I haven't touched the brake pedal yet. Starwheels were stuck solid. It would barely roll so i been driving it on gravel farm path oiling the drums/shoes/everything thru the adjustment openings. Brake drum temp came down to 10 degrees of ambient from a high of 70 degrees above ambient. They were hot. So with all this oiling i tried starwheels 2day but wanted to make sure which way to turn 'em. I got 3 of the 4 starwheels backing off with only a 4 degree increase of drum temp from ambient with that 1 shoe dragging. I'm doing this cause i got to get the drums off to rebuild the cylinders. If i can't turn the wheel/tire jacked up i'm not gonna get the drum off. Right? thx. | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 28,674 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 28,674 | Be cautious about using penetrating oil around brake parts. Petroleum based penetrants and brake rubber parts like wheel cylinder cups don't play well together. It also contaminates brake linings. Silicone type penetrants will be a little safer than using something like PB Blaster. Using a little bit of persuasion from an electric heat gun or a Propane torch, with the brake drums removed, plus the silicone penetrant is by far the best way to free up any sort of sticky brake hardware. Jerry
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| | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 9,830 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 9,830 | Agree that petroleum based solvents are bad on rubber brake parts and linings. I'm also thinking a propane torch wouldn't help rubber parts much either. But the OP is planning on rebuilding things anyway, so whatever it takes should be the process. With Bendix brakes, all the brake parts can be disconnected from the backing plate to allow stuck drums to be removed. Unbolt the wheel cylinders and the anchor bolt and cut the heads off the two brake shoe hold-down pins will free up the shoes and other parts to come out with the drums. The only issue with that is that the axle flanges on the rear brakes, and the parking brake cable would hang things up.
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Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 92 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2018 Posts: 92 | This is a 4400, rear loosened up easy using positive action of the 5/8" bolt head adjuster mechanism. thx. | | |
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