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#1528945 12/09/2023 1:27 AM
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Hey Folks !
I need to find some brake shoe return springs for the rear of my 51, 6400.
Does anyone know of a cross reference part or source for
originals ?
Thanks !

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Thanks believe that one is for the front.
I need the rear springs. They are short fat ones.
I’ve been trying springs off other trucks from the parts store
but can’t find anything strong enough.

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Group 5.026 Brake Shoe Spring,

1951-57 1-1/2 & 2 ton, pull back, short, rear shoe (3-7/16" O.L. free)....p/n 3694516

1951-57 1-1/2 & 2 ton, pull back, long, rear shoe (3-7/8" O.L. free)....p/n 3694799

Place an ad in the Parts Wanted section, I think we had a member that had a batch made a couple years ago, maybe he still has a few. Or maybe someone has a couple used ones.

You need 4 of each to do the complete rear axle.

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1956 9200 Tractor w/Allison Automatic
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1953 Willys M38A1 Fire Jeep
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Boise- did you find your springs?
I had some made when I did the brakes on my 59 1-1/2 ton several years ago.
Still have some if you need them.

Mike. You say to 57, but wouldn’t 58/59 be the same?


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Originally Posted by VEW
Mike. You say to 57, but wouldn’t 58/59 be the same?

I always thought they were the same, but I just checked 6 different year parts books and the all end at '57. maybe it's a typo that never got fixed... ohwell

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1956 Chevy 3100 Resto Rod
1956 8400 Wrecker w/Holmes 525
1956 9200 Tractor w/Allison Automatic
1952 Willys M38 Army Jeep
1953 Willys M38A1 Fire Jeep
1978 Jeep CJ-5 Navy Jeep
1984 Jeep CJ7
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I could sure use a set if you have enough, if you will please pm me and we'll figure it out from there. Thanks


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Give me a minute-or two- and I’ll post the specs so we know what we’re talking about-or at least going through the motions 🤓

Last edited by VEW; 12/17/2023 4:54 PM.

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1955 Grumman Kurbside "Doughboy" 235/3 on tree w/ OD
1957 3100 - moved on
1959 C4500 Short Bus "Magic Bus" - moved on
1959 G3800 1 Ton Dually "Chief" - moved on
1958 C4400 Viking "Thor" ~ moved on to fellow Bolter

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So, this is what I have, and only have 3 new ones left (and the 4 I removed from magic bus).

I’ll try to find the place that made them and post it again. I know it’s been a while since the last time I did.

Old one on left and new one on right.
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Last edited by VEW; 12/17/2023 6:04 PM.

~ Victor
1941 3/4-Ton Pickup (in process). Read about it in the DITY Gallery
1955 Grumman Kurbside "Doughboy" 235/3 on tree w/ OD
1957 3100 - moved on
1959 C4500 Short Bus "Magic Bus" - moved on
1959 G3800 1 Ton Dually "Chief" - moved on
1958 C4400 Viking "Thor" ~ moved on to fellow Bolter

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Originally Posted by VEW
Mike. You say to 57, but wouldn’t 58/59 be the same?

I just checked the GMC parts book. Same thing where these parts are used on 55.2-57, but not 58-9.

The "TXY" are years 57, 56 and 55.2. The "4" is how many. The "22M, H110" and so on are the various axles these brakes were used on, followed by a description.
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Last edited by Bill Hanlon; 12/17/2023 6:19 PM. Reason: new info

'57 GMC 102, Original 347 V8, HydraMatic, 3.08 rear gear, added A/C, disk front brakes, HEI, AFB carb, '98 Honda Black Currant paint. T-boned and totaled 10/12
'52 GMC 152 Stake Bed, Original 228, SM420, added A/C, HEI, disk front brakes, '67 Chev 3.55 rear gear. Gets used as a real truck.
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I sent my old spring to Timac and they asked how many I wanted. I ordered 10: used 4, gave 3 away and have the remaining 3 if someone wants them.

It’s been over a decade, but here is the info I have.
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1941 3/4-Ton Pickup (in process). Read about it in the DITY Gallery
1955 Grumman Kurbside "Doughboy" 235/3 on tree w/ OD
1957 3100 - moved on
1959 C4500 Short Bus "Magic Bus" - moved on
1959 G3800 1 Ton Dually "Chief" - moved on
1958 C4400 Viking "Thor" ~ moved on to fellow Bolter

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Victor,

Thanks for posting a picture of the 1958/59 rear brake pull back springs. This confirms they are different than the 1951/57 springs, see attached pictures of springs I took off of a 1956 4400.

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1956 Chevy 3100 Resto Rod
1956 8400 Wrecker w/Holmes 525
1956 9200 Tractor w/Allison Automatic
1952 Willys M38 Army Jeep
1953 Willys M38A1 Fire Jeep
1978 Jeep CJ-5 Navy Jeep
1984 Jeep CJ7
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Thanks Mike. All good to know.
But if someone can’t find a spring, I recommend checking out Timac.


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1941 3/4-Ton Pickup (in process). Read about it in the DITY Gallery
1955 Grumman Kurbside "Doughboy" 235/3 on tree w/ OD
1957 3100 - moved on
1959 C4500 Short Bus "Magic Bus" - moved on
1959 G3800 1 Ton Dually "Chief" - moved on
1958 C4400 Viking "Thor" ~ moved on to fellow Bolter

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Mike and Victor, Thank you both for the pictures and information I just measured mine and I can see that whoever was into the rear brakes ( which are new ) put the short springs both on top shoe and the longer ones both on the bottom shoe. So mystery is solved, Victor thaanks for the information on who made yours I'll look into that thumbs_up .
Pic of my long ones, it would be nice to have some new spares .
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Last edited by 2thirstychevys; 12/17/2023 9:52 PM.

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Thought I'd add this picture from the 1955-2 Shop Manual to aid anyone that wonders where the springs go...

The Long (black) springs go at 1:00 and 7:00 o'clock.

The Short (green) springs go at 4:00 and 10:00 o'clock.

Hope this helps,

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Mike Boteler

1956 Chevy 3100 Resto Rod
1956 8400 Wrecker w/Holmes 525
1956 9200 Tractor w/Allison Automatic
1952 Willys M38 Army Jeep
1953 Willys M38A1 Fire Jeep
1978 Jeep CJ-5 Navy Jeep
1984 Jeep CJ7
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Hughesville, MD

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