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So in my quest to get my truck back on the road and to get rid of my widowmakers I am swapping the axles to some newer Dayton disc brake axles I acquired. My question is what size cleats do I need for it, I am picking up some wheels this weekend for it and noticed there are a few sizes of cleats for the hub and just want to make sure I get the right ones as well as the spacer ring that goes in between the rims. I will have to double check what size the wheels I am getting are once I get them if that helps but I do believe they are 10-20.

10’s are pretty large, would 9’s work?

Ed

Maybe I am going to be replacing the tires because they are like 36 years old (they came off of a fire truck with 7800miles and have been inside all their life) but I am getting them for such a good deal and I can at least roll the truck around on them for now. And the the fronts might not be 10-20 I got two 385/65r22.5 rims I think they were like 14in and at some point I would like to use those on it but will have to measure once I get the new axle under it to see if they will even fit.

And I am planning to just use military ndt tires since I can get them cheap and I'm pretty sure they are 9-20

Since you're going with Daytons, why even bother with 20" rims and tires at all? Save my money and go straight to 22.5" tubeless. Check your local big truck junk yard , I bet they have a big rim pile...might have good used tires to get you rolling around also!

Mike B

Mike makes a point worth considering - 22.5 Daytons are everywhere for the cheap. I paid $50 ea. for mine (8 22.5-tubeless!) and no mods necessary. Just slide on where the 20's were.
If you do have a truck yard, good chance used tires will be for the cheap too.

I have several, too, got for $25. Not many shops far from town carry 20’s, 22.5’s are everywhere!

Ed

I can't find anywhere local that has 22.5 rims local there is one guy who has a bunch of Dayton's but the whole place was flooded several years ago and when I went there looking for axles none of the rims looked to be in super good shape. I am sure that I could find some that I could save but I know someone who can help me change these tires and I can still get them relatively cheap

22.5 open center wheels are getting hard to find. They can be bought new for around $150 each, but that is a lot of money. When I switched my fleet from spoke to hub piloted 25 years ago I sold hundreds of them for $10 to $20 each. I should have kept some, but I didn't. If I were to buy used ones, I would look for wheels with an old tire on them. Loose wheels may have had a tire burn off of them and that warps them. The wheels that went under water may be better than you think. Surface rust doesn't hurt anything. As for the cleats, the width of the spacer determines the size cleat you use. When I still had several hundred spoke wheels on the ground, I used all 4" spacers so that the same cleats worked on every thing. Finding the correct cleat is a matter of trial and error. There has to be about a 1/4" gap between the heel of the cleat and the hub. If you don't have the gap, the wheels will slip. And that is where all the horror stories about wheels slipping originate. By maintaining the correct gap and torque, they don't slip.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/6meAQMdAJxZQwg4w5

I have never seen any service manual that explained that there must be a gap between the heel of the cleat and the hub. It is just something that old timers told the young kids. By the time this photo was taken almost 60 years ago, I had seen lots of spoke wheels fail from either using the wrong cleat or over tightening the lug bolts. For the next 30 years I ran all spokes, and I don't ever remember having a failure. The only reason I switched to hub piloted was because of the outboard mounted brake drums. If I were younger I would go to disc, but I am 79 years old and I'm just not buying any more new trucks or trailers.

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Well I just picked up the rims and they are 8.25 20s and I was looking at Napa for some info because they seem to have the cheapest cleats and spacer rings and they actually tell you how big the spacer ring should be when you're looking at the cleats

Dayton hubs became rather standard in the 1970's. Before that Erie, Gunite, Webb and Dayton had their own sizes and you just have to match them. This is what has become pretty much the industry standard for the last 50 years.

https://www.anythingtruck.com/product/130-M3.html

On vehicles made before the 1970's there was no standard. If the axle you are using has disc brakes, it would be less than 25 years old and uses the industry standard now.

yeah the axles came off of a 1982 chevy c70

crenwelge Boy is that a good shot of you and that Gimmy !!!!!!!!!!!!