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I think everyone will agree that hanging and adjusting doors on AD trucks is most easily accomplished using original, OEM hinges - and rebuilding them is the way to go. But when original hinges aren’t readily available or you need to work with existing aftermarket hinges, all bets are off. Things can get dicey real quick. This post focuses on at least two different aftermarket hinges and bending them to set door depth in the opening.

I humbly submit this as a compilation of information gleaned from various posts on the subject throughout this site (thanks!) and elsewhere using my own photos. I don’t claim to be an expert. This is based soley on personal experience and may, in fact, be old news to many of you. Opinions, techniques, and results may vary.

Hopefully, this will help someone struggling to get their doors to fit without them sticking in or out of the cab where they shouldn’t and have decent gaps — particularly when aftermarket hinges are used. It assumes any sheetmetal repairs have been done carefully and the pillars, hinge pockets, floor, cowl, and rockers are where they’re supposed to be. Doors from donor trucks may be a different size and shape!

The attached photos are referenced by letter.

With disclaimers out of the way, here’s my story...

The Truck

A 1950 Chevy 3100 came to me with recent paint work and doors shells hung. The belt line was close but needed some tweaking. The leading edge of both doors rubbed the cowl when opening. The passenger side was the worst and I later found evidence suggesting the door was a donor. It was ‘tight’ in the opening without much gap. The upper hinge bolt heads interfered with the door, preventing it from closing all the way. The door was not flush with the cowl and needed to come out more but the hinges were maxed out.

Aftermarket Hinges Unnecessarily Hogged!

I started pulling bolts that hold the hinges to the cab. What did I find under those large flat washers? Gaping holes way beyond any amount of vertical or horizontal movement possible. Someone had gone crazy with a die grinder. Bolt holes were hogged in every direction. The edges of the face plate, ground off in places. Even the sheet metal edge of the hinge pocket was trimmed away. The bolt heads were already crushing the washers into the void. I found the driver side hinges were also hogged out but not nearly as bad (photo A).

I could have spent the time welding up the holes but at this point we had no real reference for their size, shape, and location. So rather than try and repair this side I decided to order another set with hopes they might be better in other ways. I chose Dynacorn Link to Dynacorn out of CA, a company we were familiar with. But like everything else, their reproduction parts are made overseas.

Differences, Pro, Cons

When they arrived I found obvious visual differences between the generic repop hinges, that I think are sold by most vendors, and the ones made by Dynacorn (#1101C) (photo B).

The Dynacorn hinges appear more ‘finished’. The strap that goes into the door is slightly thicker and the rest of the hinge arm is ‘beefier’. The hinges pivot freely on the pin but not sloppily. The tin face plates are spot welded to the body of the hinges squarely.

The Generic hinges had tighter pins. Being slightly thinner material they would probably be easier to bend in a vise without heat.

The real test was whether the new hinges would bolt on and work without modifications. Was the bend and geometry of the hinge strap (arm) better or worse? In the end, all four would need a small bend to work correctly on this truck.

Adjustments and Bending

Out of all door adjustments designed by GM into this hinge system, the 'door panel to cowl panel' (whether the door is flush with the cowl or not) is the trickiest and requires the most work.

The factory service manual only mentions bending the hinges to make this particular adjustment (photo C).

Are you old enough to remember film strips and projectors in class rooms back in the old days? I am. Brad Allen has posted frames from a vintage GM service training film strip called "Servicing Chevrolet Truck Cabs" Link to Servicing Chevrolet Truck Cabs - Brad Allen that is a great reference for all things related to door adjustment. Frame #24 mentions "enlarging body hinge bolt holes or bending hinges" (photo D).

Personally, I think the hinge holes at the cowl can and should be left alone. They’re only slotted for vertical movement and any horizontal adjustment needed can be made by bending the strap. It’s just a little bit more work. What neither the manual or film strip tells you is where to bend, which direction, and how much. There are no suggestions on how to bend them.

I'll explain later how and why bending works the way it does. But the bottom line is: Bend the hinge strap in the opposite direction you need to move the door. Bend in to move the door out, and bend out to move the door in (photo E).

I'd suggest bending hinges only while off the truck. Using too much force while on the truck will likely bend the pillar and hinge pockets out of shape. And heat from a torch can damage surrounding paint, if that's a concern.

The generic hinge (being slightly lighter material) can be bent in vise with a pipe wrench (photos F & G).

I preferred heating them with a oxy/acetylene torch, in a vise, and grabbing the pin area with a large adjustable wrench (photos H & I).

(Continued)
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Measuring the bend

You need a reference point to measure the amount of bend. It doesn't take much of a bend - probably less than 1/4" and maybe only 1/16" to 1/8". It will depend on the hinges used and your truck.

Measure the hinge before you heat and bend it. I clamped the strap in a vise and placed a straight edge along the top edge of each hinge strap over to where the big reverse bend disappears into the hinge body (photo J).

You can just eyeball the gap (if any) and judge how far to open or close it. Now, heat the hinge with a torch to dull red, give it a little bend with your wrench, and then grab your straight edge to check the change. (Don't burn yourself. You're wearing gloves, right?) If you went too far, quickly bend it back the other way and recheck.

Once it cools down enough to handle you can bolt the hinges (all the way up in the slots and tight) to the cab and test fit the door. Leave the bolts loose on the door so you can move it around and very carefully close it.

Important reminder: A small adjustment at the hinge can translate to a large change at the other end of the door. If the striker is in place, remove it.

Lift the door up so that the belt line of the cab and door line up. Is the door flush with the cowl (or up to 1/16" proud)? Are you able to line the door edge up flush with the cab at the back or does it stick out at the bottom?

A door that's a tiny bit too far in at the top can make the bottom rear corner stick out. You'll get the opposite effect (diagonally) if the bottom of the door is in a tiny bit too much. The goal should be to have it flush with the body front and rear and that's achievable if the hinges are bent the right amount and the door isn't physically twisted out of shape. If you're not a glutton for punishment, then splitting the difference across some panel or gap is totally acceptable.

On this truck I ended up bending both Dynacorn hinge straps in till there was zero gap measured at our reference point with a straight edge. This made the leading edge of the door slightly proud at the cowl. We have tight gaps all around so this was warranted.

How and Why Bending These Hinges Works

Some of you may already know or figured out how bending the straps moves the door horizontally in or out of the opening. Sadly, it came to me while laying in bed at night thinking about it.

It has to do with pin location and geometry. Using the magic of Adobe Photoshop, here are two simulated images with exaggerated bends to illustrate. When the strap is bent and then swung back to where the 'closed' position would be (ie: parallel to the door), you can see the door is effectively repositioned. Notice, however, it will also tend to move the door forward or back slightly. Other adjustments can be used to compensate.

The actual bends you make will be much smaller and the amount of movement more subtle (photos K&L).

Fore, Aft, and Vertical Door Adjustment

These adjustments are covered in the service manual and film strip noted above and are pretty straightforward. I found there was plenty of fore and aft adjustment of the door on the lower hinge. There’s almost too much. But the upper hinge is much more limited.

If you need to move the door forward more than the upper hinge is allowing, there are a couple of things you can try - and slotting the holes in the strap may not be the answer!

It turns out that sheet metal inside the door will only allow the upper hinge strap to slide in so far. With the door on a stand, take note of where the strap stops when you slide it into the door. There's a stop that contacts the back side of the hinge arm. Some dimpling of the sheet metal here may help. You can also remove a little material from the back of the hinge arm where it contacts this stop (photos M & N).

The back of the pocket is also closed so the end of the strap may hit it. You can remove a little material from the end of the hinge strap. It may be necessary to slot all holes just a little towards the front (photo O).

Even with the hinges bolted to the pillars in the fully up position you may need more vertical movement out of the doors to get the belt lines to line up. If necessary you can slot all hinge strap holes vertically (photo O).

Removing just a little material here and there and checking the fit can net 1/16" to 1/8" or more of valuable adjustment for good alignment and even gaps. There's no need to get carried away or run amok with a die grinder.

And Finally...

On the generic driver side hinges, I welded up the oversized bolt holes and used a die grinder with ¼” straight carbide burr to restore them to the original shape and size. External tooth star lock washers will be used under the bolt heads. With a slight bend on each and the above mentioned mods to the other holes, the door seems to fit fine in the opening (photos P & Q ).

Final Tip: There’s a lot of trial and error testing involved. Run a 3/8”-24 (fine thread) tap through all holes before you start. It'll clean the threads of paint and corrosion and make running bolts in by hand faster and easier (photo R).
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Good stuff!! thumbs_up

Nominating this thread for a Tech Tip.


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Fantastic info and write-up. Thank you. Both of my doors are kinda wonky. I was lucky enough to find some spare OE hinges that I am hoping to make work, but the adjustment information will be very helpful for them as well.

I see that you are in Wenatchee, that is right on the edge of the Rocky Mountain Bolters area but I would invite you over to the sub-forum for our area. I am trying to get some events planned for this summer if you are interested.


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Nope -- I won't take it. Its far too helpful, informative and useful. It even has pictures. What are you thinking??


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Originally Posted by John Milliman
Nope -- I won't take it. Its far too helpful, informative and useful. It even has pictures. What are you thinking??

Ha, ha! You're right, John. I'm a little 'unhinged'.

I should add, if you decide to add heat to the mix for bending, we're not talking iron forge levels. It's hard to quantify and I'm no metallurgist. But by the time I set the torch down and grabbed the hinges with a wrench there was no real glow still visible. It just made bending with a wrench a little easier.

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Hi guys, so before I start bending hinges here are some pics of how my doors are fitting now. This door sits nice on the cowl side, nice gaps all the way around but on the far side from the latch down it flares out getting worse the farther down you go. Any suggestions on which hinge (upper/Lower) to bend more or try first would be much appreciated.
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Jim K,

I think your door fit is pretty dang good. I don't think that anything short of tweaking the door itself (probably a dangerous proposition) will make the fit better. Maybe moving the upper hinge out just a touch would help at the rear edge.

At some point you have to settle for "good enough." ohwell

I think you're there.


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Judging from your pictures, I dare you to find one period picture of original trucks which fit anywhere near as nice as yours does.


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Originally Posted by 52Carl
Judging from your pictures, I dare you to find one period picture of original trucks which fit anywhere near as nice as yours does.


No kidding! I thought it was a Dynacorn body.


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Great thread! One thing to consider, door gaskets/rubber can change everything. I’d suggest installing gaskets before doing final tweaking.

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The rear of your door is low. Raising that up to match the belt line does wonders for that bottom flare out. Yes, it will mess with your upper gaps around the window area. But that was where it came crazy from the factory what with all the joints and lead and everything. Belt line is a big part of getting these things set up in the door opening along with getting the original latches working correctly, etc.

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Preston H Tremendous write-up on door fitting,as is often said they built these trucks for work ,not show my whole fleet shows a cross section of all the problems you adress. Most of about 30 AD trucks i've had in 30 years suffer from drivers door hole kinda small,well you want your main door to work and close and stay shut. Then comes the battle of door seals...anyway great write-up thank you so much !!

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Well thanks for the feedback, I’m going to live with them. I guess the thing bothering me is they lined up better before the painter removed them. But this being my first truck I really didn’t know what level of perfection to expect. Thanks guys


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