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Mod | | Forums66 Topics126,781 Posts1,039,301 Members48,100 | Most Online2,175 Jul 21st, 2025 | | | Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 916 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 916 | I purchased a set of gaskets for the front fenders where they bolt to the cab. They are very thick rubber and seem to be causing the fenders to bend out at the top a little bit, and deform the flange on the fenders as well... is this normal? Should those gaskets be something thin like paper?
I’ve been traveling for a month but am headed home this week to try to deal with this. Any input appreciated. Thank you.
~ Dave 1950 Chevrolet 3600 3/4-ton with 261 engine & T5 Transmission | | | | Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 4,100 AD Addict & Tinkerer | AD Addict & Tinkerer Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 4,100 | How does the fender fit without the gaskets? The gaskets are anti-squeak, so they need to be somewhat thick. How thick are they?
Without seeing the issue, it’s tough to diagnose the problem but I do have a couple of ideas.
If when mounting the fender, if you have to bend the back or front of the fender back or forward to get some holes to align, it may cause the flange to bend in or out.
If the fender is replacement, you may need to tweak it a bit by either enlarging some holes or bending the flange to to get a better fit.
Phil Moderator, The Engine Shop, Interiors and Project Journals1952 Chevrolet 3100, Three on the Tree, 4:11 torque tube Updated to: ‘59 235 w/hydraulic lifters, 12v w/alternator, HEI, PCV and Power front Disc BrakesProject JournalsStovebolt Gallery Forum | | | | Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 916 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2016 Posts: 916 | The holes line up, it’s just that the gasket is so thick that tightening the hardware causes the flanges to compress only near the holes, deforming the flange on the fender᠁.the Parker is rubber and probably 1/8 thick. I have no idea what the factory put in there, only that the assembly manual shows a gasket there. I feel like it should be paper, just like the other fender to inner fender gaskets᠁
~ Dave 1950 Chevrolet 3600 3/4-ton with 261 engine & T5 Transmission | | | | Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,300 Moderator for Tons o' Fun , Co-Moderator Driveline Forum | Moderator for Tons o' Fun , Co-Moderator Driveline Forum Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,300 | I installed the molded gaskets I purchased from Chevs of the 40's and they were very close to the same thickness as the rubber gaskets that were between the fenders and cab when I removed the fenders. I had a similar problem but maybe not as severe as you describe. I used larger diameter washers to help spread the load and it seemed to work out ok. I might suggest that you back off the torque so as to not compress the rubber as much.
Ron - - Dusty53 1954 Chevy 3604In the Gallery Forum "You can't dance with the Devil and then wonder why you're still in Hell." "They will forget what you've said, and they will forget what you have done but they will never forget the way you made them feel." | | | | Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,168 "Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!! | "Hey! I sound like Darth Vader!! Joined: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,168 | You could always use Nylock type of nuts so you can control how tight you want the assemblies. | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,059 Renaissance Man | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,059 | If you are talking about where the rear of the front fender bolts to the side cowl, that is supposed to be beaded fender welting. It comes in a long roll, enough for both fenders, and comes with no holes in it. Am I missing something about the question asked?
1952 5-window - return to "as built" condition | 1950 3100 with a 235 and a T-5 transmission
| | | | Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,300 Moderator for Tons o' Fun , Co-Moderator Driveline Forum | Moderator for Tons o' Fun , Co-Moderator Driveline Forum Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,300 | If you are talking about where the rear of the front fender bolts to the side cowl, that is supposed to be beaded fender welting. It comes in a long roll, enough for both fenders, and comes with no holes in it. Am I missing something about the question asked? 52Carl, you've made an interesting point. The FAM provides a part number 3685575 in Section 11, sheet 9 for the 3100, 3600, 3800, 4000- 6000 models. That number superceded to 609725 which is what you said, 2 1/4" x 100 foot roll , one bead. Chev's of the 40"s sells a part number 609725 which appears to be "molded " as it is the shape of the fender to cowl joint and has holes at the correct spacing and size. Its about 1/8 thick but has no "bead". It sure sounds like what I've purchased is not the same as what GM used and may be thicker than its supposed to be. Can you estimate about how thick it should be? Thanks for getting into this discussion. Your input could be a big help to Norcal Dave and me.
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Ron - - Dusty53 1954 Chevy 3604In the Gallery Forum "You can't dance with the Devil and then wonder why you're still in Hell." "They will forget what you've said, and they will forget what you have done but they will never forget the way you made them feel." | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,059 Renaissance Man | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,059 | 52Carl, you've made an interesting point. The FAM provides a part number 3685575 in Section 11, sheet 9 for the 3100, 3600, 3800, 4000- 6000 models. That number superceded to 609725 which is what you said, 2 1/4" x 100 foot roll , one bead. Chev's of the 40"s sells a part number 609725 which appears to be "molded " as it is the shape of the fender to cowl joint and has holes at the correct spacing and size. Its about 1/8 thick but has no "bead". It sure sounds like what I've purchased is not the same as what GM used and may be thicker than its supposed to be. Can you estimate about how thick it should be? Thanks for getting into this discussion. Your input could be a big help to Norcal Dave and me. The beaded fender welting is just under 1/16" thick where it goes between the sheet metal. The bead is 1/4" in diameter. Plenty big to hide any gaps in this inherently problematic area. In my opinion, this welting design was used in this area for that very reason.
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| | | | Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 4,210 Moderator, Electrical Bay | Moderator, Electrical Bay Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 4,210 | A whole lot of folks don't like beaded welting. That's been discussed here plenty. If you want to make yourself some excellent anti-squeak gaskets, go to a plumbing supply store and purchase a foot of 1/16 shower pan liner...very tough stuff. It will be 6 feet wide and that's more than enough. Make templates from old file folders and use those to cut your pieces. Paint them black if you wish, but in the AD truck it isn't necessary. They'll last about 1 week past the end of time. Good luck.
~ Jon 1952 1/2 ton with 1959 235 | T5 with 3.07 rear end
| | | | Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,300 Moderator for Tons o' Fun , Co-Moderator Driveline Forum | Moderator for Tons o' Fun , Co-Moderator Driveline Forum Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 1,300 | Thanks 52Carl and Jon G , looks like the gaskets I installed are the "wrong stuff". Wish I'd dug into the material specs a bit more before I purchased and installed those. Thanks to you both for your input. Hmmm, how hard could it be to loosed those fenders and replace them? Right?
Ron - - Dusty53 1954 Chevy 3604In the Gallery Forum "You can't dance with the Devil and then wonder why you're still in Hell." "They will forget what you've said, and they will forget what you have done but they will never forget the way you made them feel." | | |
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