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Disclaimer: Yes, I am a millennial, but quite capable of wrenching on my truck, I just want to know what I'm doing before I dive in.
-Patrick 1953 Chevrolet 3100 261 / 4-speed / 4:11 / Commercial Red
| | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 | | | | | | Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 5,096 Crusing in the Passing Lane | | Crusing in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 5,096 | When you bang your knuckles when using a brake spoon, that is the right way to tighten them.
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| | | | | Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,644 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 1,644 | The shop manual is the best source for that info. Very straightforward instructions.
Chuck 1950 Chevy 1/2 ton (all original) 1951 Chevy 1/2 ton (future streetrod) 1941 Chevy coupe 1938 Chevy coupe streetrod | | | | | Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,299 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,299 | Bleeding the brakes and adjusting them are two different operations. Bleeding makes sure there is no air in the lines. Adjusting the freeplay would be done with the piston rod length on the master cylinder. "adjusting" the normal operation that changes with wear, is done with the brake spoon mentioned with wheels off the ground. tighten the "adjusting wheel" that separates the brake shoes opposite the wheel cylinders until the rotation of the wheel gets difficult, then back off to the specified drag. Make sure all four wheels have same drag or it will pull to one side or the other when brakes are applied. As mentioned, the factory procedure is the best to follow but this is a brief summary of it. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,782 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,782 | Brake adjustment errors cannot cause a pull- - - - -never has, never will. The only thing a brake adjusted too loose can cause is a low pedal. Brakes adjusted too tight can cause overheating, and in extreme situations fire from grease running out of the wheel bearings igniting when it contacts a red hot drum. Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,299 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,299 | Having the right side adjusted looser than the left side won't make a pull to the side when brakes first hit? I get that when all shoes are engaged there would be no pull but I seem to recall from personal experience that momentary tug when one side was mis-adjusted. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,782 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,782 | All the brakes have to be in contact with the drums/discs before ANY brake can produce a stopping effect. As long as any brake is still capable of moving, no pressure can build up anywhere in the system. That's particularly true of a single-line system, but even a dual brake system will have a spongy pedal until the slack in the master cylinder is taken up and the non-working chamber of the master cylinder is out of the equation. The laws of physics are not "suggestions". If a brake is adjusted tight enough to drag, the pull will be there all the time, regardless of whether the driver has applied the brakes or not.
A flex line that is restricted or collapsed on the inside can cause a pull because pressure can build up in the brake cylinder on the opposite side from the restricted line and cause only one brake to be applied. Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,299 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2001 Posts: 1,299 | I can wrap my head around that explanation in that one side could make contact but not really apply braking pressure until all eight shoes are in contact with the drums then allowing hydraulic pressure to build. That makes sense... The laws of physics, I recall a poster of Albert Einstein that read E=Mc2...Not just a good idea, it's the law.
I will still have to hold with the idea that poor adjustment can make one side contact before the other but the contention being that true sopping power cannot take place without the pressure made possible when all four corners are engaged. | | | | | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 Riding in the Passing Lane | | Riding in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 | To adjust the brakes at each wheel on the 53 1/2 put the brake spoon it the slot & pull up on it from the outside. That pushes the inside part down & turns the star wheel in the correct direction to reduce the clearance between the shoe & drum on the Bendix style brakes on that modal. Turn it till you get a heavy drag & back it off about 5 clicks. If there is still some slight drag that is OK. Those shoes float in there & often have some drag & is not always the same on each wheel. They center themselves when the brakes are applied. When these brakes are right you will have very little movement in the pedal. You just apply pressure to it. George They say money can't buy happiness. It can buy old Chevy trucks though. Same thing. 1972 Chevy c10 Cheyenne SuperIn the Gallery Forum | | | | | Joined: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,450 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Dec 2018 Posts: 2,450 | Green 98 It is OK to have some travel in the system to keep pistons and cups moving some to keep them in good shape. | | |
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