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Does anyone know what the modern equivalent to Windor Blue is?
I am thinking about painting my truck in era correct colors. I have been looking on-line at my options and found that the standard color was Forrester Green with about 8 other options available. My ’47 panel truck was Forrester Green from the factory, and repainted Silver with Red fenders. Henderson Distribution Company lettered on the sides, and a Mr. Peanut on the door. I am looking at a two-tone scheme with the body below the beltline a Windsor Blue, and above the beltline & fenders the Cream Medium. I would like to get samples of these paints and do a test spray to see how they look. I found the Cream Medium cross references to Martin Senour 113, and Sherwin Williams 7455 from the original Ditzler PPG 80189 and Dupont 95-530. I have not found the modern version of the Windor Blue originally PPG 10418 and Dupont 93-63225. Every color sample I have found on-line looks different so I’m not sure what the actual color is. I thought I would ask here before going to the paint store.
I found that Dupont sold the auto paint unit to Carlyle in 2012. I have also found Axalta(formerly Dupont)/Nason brand. That led me to Axalta — Duxone, They recommend using a spectrophotometer to get an exact match… I saw a PPG store on my way home from work yesterday, so today I looked up PPG on-line, no results from searching PPG10418, but Windsor Blue yielded this color: Windsor Way PPG1239-3 https://www.ppgpaints.com/color/color-families/blues/windsor-way
Here is an example of a possible original Windsor Blue: https://www.hemmings.com/stories/2011/08/20/hemmings-find-of-the-day-1953-chevrolet-3600
This site shows Windsor Blue as much darker:
https://paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?ditzler=10418
I looked on the Tech Tips page here about Paint codes and see at the bottom a phone number listed for the PPG color library, I’ll give that a try too.


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See 53moneypit on page 2 of the paint and body shop forum. Doc.


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Thanks for the replies. I have done some research and am familiar with the archival documents that identify the original colors. That helped me decide on the color scheme. It’s true that I have picked colors for my truck without actually seeing what they look like.
The chart on paintref does not include the modern equivalent to Windsor Blue, unfortunately. I was hoping someone with an original Windsor Blue vehicle had found enough original paint to have a modern equivalent identified through the use of a photospectrometer, or comparing to paint chips, or whatever means.
The route I may go on the interior is based on a similar scenario where someone did the research and shared the info here: “Interior is called Graphite Brown Metallic. A fairly close match for cab interior color in a rattle can spray paint is RustOleum "Dark Bronze Metallic" #7272. ”
I tried to find where I got this statement from to give credit, but instead found this discussion, similar to my question:
https://www.stovebolt.com/ubbthread...-where-to-buy-the-paint.html#Post1316444
I’ll print out a few of the paint charts I downloaded, and head to the paint store to see if they have the PPG paint chips and can come up with a modern mix.


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Walter, if you click on either the G B or Y at the left of the line on the paintref link, you'll get photos of actual trucks painted with the color. That may help you visualize the look you want.
The G stands for Google, B for Bing, or Y for Yahoo, the various search engines.


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Another thought. Jim Carter apparently has the modern PPG codes for the stock colors. At least they sell paint mixed to what they claim to be correct colors, including Windsor Blue. The paint they sell is PPG Performance Coatings Acrylic Enamel. But I doubt they'd share the codes with you as they want to sell you the paint. Unless you catch them in a benevolent mood.
They do have quarts in stock that you could buy for spray-outs.


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I did not know about the image link on paintref, thanks. I have an idea of what the color should look like. I’m looking for an on-line sample of the modern equivalent, ultimately if the paint shop can come up with the paint, that’s all that matters. I have searched the PPG websites, there are some great pages with many paint colors, My eyes go numb when I look at dozens of shades of any color. I don’t see the 10418 here, but these may be house paint colors? https://www.ppgpaints.com/color/color-families/blues

They have one page that matches color by year and car, but it only goes back to 2008.
http://www.ppgpaintit.com/
Here is another discussion on Windsor Blue, but the paint code remains a mystery: https://www.stovebolt.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/1156639/1.html
I’ll stop by the PPG store on my way home from work today and see what they can find. If no results there, I’ll call the PPG color library phone number listed in the Tech Tip.


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Yeah, that's the house paint color page.
I went to the local PPG store here and asked about auto paint hardener. I was met by "HUH???". I'm betting you'll get the same response as most PPG places just handle house paint.
What you need to do is go to an auto parts store that handles paint. Up here it's a Carquest place and they just deal with paint, and have PPG and other brands. They can do custom mixed in a spray can for you, as well as custom mixes in a can. If they've been around forever, they may actually have the info you need (current PPG code for Windsor Blue).


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Yeah, the PPG store is just house paint. My FLAPS put in a paint room a few years ago, so I stopped there on my way home. They couldn’t find anything from the Ditzler PPG 10418, or the Dupont 664 numbers. She dug out a 1949 paint chip book, and found the Mfg code 522.

From the 522 code she determined the current Martin Senour/Sherwin Williams code for Windsor Blue is WA7881 from Napa auto.

I then looked closer at the document for Windor Blue from Paintref and noticed there is a Code column, and the codes for 1947 Fleet show 364, 522. There is also a 1983 Chrysler Fleet listed with a code of DT8027. I had been focusing on the Paint brand columns and overlooked that info. I got a quote for single stage Enamel including Reducer and Hardener. When I got home, I looked in my Jim Carter catalog and found their product to be quite a bit cheaper. I also saw the Interior paint for Panel truck listed as Medium Grey, so no Dark Bronze Metallic for me. This morning I checked the Jim Carter website, and see some of the other paints they sell are Commercial Performance Coatings. When I plug that name into a search, I find it’s a PPG product sold by O’reilly at a much lower price. I’ll go there and see if they can match the 522 Windsor Blue.


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Good sleuthing. thumbs_up
I found that PPG Acrylic Enamel that JC sells on O'reilly's website, and they just show a few stock colors. I haven't tracked down a local store that sells paint and I don't think the run of the mill O'reilly store would color mix paint for you. Hope you can find one that does.


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I was browsing around on the paintref site and found this. Acme paint chips with mix formula. Acme's number code for Windsor Blue is 22-1402
Not sure if it would help, but if the mix colors are standardized, it should work.
If you browse thru the other chip pages on that site, there are other manufacturer's number codes there also. Chip page 26 has a Martin-Senour number 80-283 for Windsor Blue.
The last page, Sherwin Williams also has mix forumulas including for Windsor Blue (Kem 43419) Here

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