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All these years I have used the best Rochester model "B" rebuild kits available. Since I was 7 years old I worked on a few Marvel Schebler's but not many and Clinton/Wisconsin rarely. However I always told everyone that I knew enough about carburetor's to leave them alone. There is one that I have rebuilt continuously however and that is the model "B" & "BC". Thats about it folks the rest are for pro's. Now as these old buggers are getting more difficult to find and the normal wear is on a one to ten with 10 being good condition. I find most at a 5, either bowl or air horn warped or really corroded inside etc. Shame on me if I have given anyone on this site wrong information. I say this because there are many new cures involving the flange gasket thickness. It seems that with many well used 216, 235 and 291 etc. the flange gasket can make a difference ( in three cases now). It has my confidence a little shaky. Can some of you guys give me advice? Would it be best that the few model B's that I have for retail to send 4 different thickness's or just quit. For so many restorers that want originality the old "B"s can be one of the simplest but cantankerous carbs most of the time. I believe it was Jerry that routed me a while back to Mikes 45.7 minute rebuild site. Forgive the long narrative but I'm not feeling very wise this a.m. Advice from the gut please. Doc. ohwell


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Doc - lots of cyberspace pixels have been unduly disturbed by this subject.

As far as thickness of the gasket is concerned, on an inline engine, the thickness is far less critical than making sure the holes, slots, etc. in/on the gasket MATCH WHAT WAS SPECIFIED BY THE ORIGINAL ENGINEERS!

Sorry, but to me, saying Rochester B is too general, and I ALWAYS go by the original tag number, to the original bill-of-material for the carburetor.

When substituting a Carter (as in your title), the correct gasket AS SPECIFIED BY CARTER SHOULD ALWAYS BE USED!

But back to thickness: there is lots of noise, some of it justified, about a thicker gasket improving the tendency for hot soak (most posters call it vapor lock, but it is not). The thicker gasket can help insulate the carburetor from the engine heat, but is MUCH more necessary on a V engine where the carburetor sits in the middle of the engine, than an inline, where the carburetor sits off to the side. In fact, on an inline, a thicker gasket can, depending on the environment, do more harm than good. There are more folks that have icing problems on inline engines than have hot soak issues!

As to your question as to what to do: DON'T QUIT, we have to have someone to send the Rochester B believers to, and you are he! wink

As to the gasket to send; you simply cannot go wrong by including the original as specified by the factory. If the end-user wishes to change the thickness, let them.

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Thank you so much Jon, I'm going to take a long look at my abilities. It is getting as I said way to difficult to find a reasonably good model "B" core. the three that I have I think will be it. I don't know what to do regarding the power pump piston springs. As you know they are about 2 1/2 times the length of a ball point pen spring and slightly larger in diameter. I have been unsuccessful in finding them. I have a Stromberg Carlson gram meter that I used when I was with AT&T for setting switches. I have no idea what the grams or Hg is supposed to be. As many parts for these old "B's it's getting too difficult to find rare parts. It is difficult to stop doing something that I had somewhat of a talent for. If it was a Model "A" I can find anything. Rats! Doc.


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Doc - no offense, but your post is too general.

There are a number of different power piston springs of different tensions used in the various carbs. The springs come in the better rebuilding kits.

But the only way to get the correct kit WITH the correct spring is by tag number.

Jon.


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Jon, bless your heart, unfortunately I don't have a tag. Dang, I have had to do so much SWAG in the past and hope for the best. If you don't know here in the south SWAG means scientific wild --- guess. I have spent to many years mic. ing and measuring "B"s in an attempt to get the correct rebuild specifics. I'm going on a new adventure with my wife, my dear Kathryn who is retiring today. Of course my Chevy's and Shelby's will be a part of my life but she is more important than anything that Detroit has ever built. I'm a little blue as she is however, this is a new adventure for us both. As a cowman, I'm not ever going to hang up my spurs until they are over my casket but, I believe my old Chevy's will be about it most of my Fords are going to be sold off. As far as Rochester/Carter model B's are concerned I'm done. I will be posting hopefully next week ALL of my extra Stovebolt parts on THE STOVEBOLT PAGE. All checks will be made out to the aforementioned site. This site has been one of the best information and friendly associations that I have ever been related to. It has been a breath of fresh air in these polluted days we live in. I will continue to be active here and with my Fire Dept.s 1929 American LaFrance engine. Thank you and the others that make this site possible. Doc.


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Doc - hope you and Kathryn enjoy many years of retirement!

Jon.


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