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#13747 10/21/2003 4:52 PM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3 Junior Member | | Junior Member Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3 | I just got a '59 Apache, that grinds the gears when engaging into 1st, or reverse?
Any ideas on why this would occur? Goes in fine on al lthe other gears. It has a 327 V8 with 305 heads, the tranny is the original 4 gear manual shift.
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#13748 10/21/2003 5:23 PM | Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 92 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 92 | Check your clutch linkage. Sounds like the clutch may not be fully disengaging so you are getting spin when in neutral causing your gears to grind.
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#13749 10/21/2003 5:38 PM | Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 504 Member | | Member Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 504 | Speaking of clutches, bluebird, did you ever get yours to stop squealing ?
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#13750 10/21/2003 5:47 PM | Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,745 Member | | Member Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,745 | First of all. Those are gears you can only engage while standing still. If you are trying to shift into first while even barely rolling it will grind. Same for reverse.
Unless the 59 box is fully synchro, but I am assuming it is not. Otherwise it is probably the clutch.
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#13751 10/21/2003 6:23 PM | Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 77 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 77 | yep your clutch is not fully releasing pressureplate could be warped and draging the cluch disc or binding on the inputshaft splines or pilot bearing and causing the gears to roll
now if you can get it into 2nd without grinding it may be better to put it into 2nd that will stop all the gear roll then put it into 1st or reverse
now the big trucks have a clutch brake and that stops the inputshaft rotation so you can get them into gear
i thinkzz traveling along at terminal velocity will soon wear a body out.
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#13752 10/21/2003 6:45 PM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3 Junior Member | | Junior Member Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 3 | If the gears are spinnning when in neutral wouldn't that cause a grind when engaging in any gear? meaning it doesn't grind at all when going into 2nd.
Thanks for the quick replies.
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'60 Beetle
'59 Apache
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#13753 10/22/2003 12:50 AM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 28 Member | | Member Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 28 | Loco, 1st and reverse are non-syncro gears. You have to be close to a full stop and wait a second for the input shaft to stop spinning after pushing in the clutch. Then you will get it to go into gear. 2nd-4th gears have syncro's that match the speed of the mating gears so they can mesh smoothly.
If you cant get it into 1st or reverse at all after stopping and waiting a few seconds then you may need to adjust your clutch linkage to be sure your clutch is fully disengaging. | | |
#13754 10/22/2003 12:55 AM | Joined: May 2003 Posts: 111 Member | | Member Joined: May 2003 Posts: 111 | My books say "press in clutch, wait 10 seconds, then try to put in 1st (or reverse). If it grinds, adjust clutch".
I just went through this on my 68 with a 4 spd.
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#13755 10/22/2003 1:56 AM | Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 77 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 77 | when you put it in 2nd the syncro ring acts as a break and stops the gear rotation then you can put it in 1st or rev before the gears start rotating but if the clutch not fully released will cause the gears to roll again
i thinkzz traveling along at terminal velocity will soon wear a body out.
i will not die in shame if i never finish my dreams because my family iz my reality
can't wait until we can bed de ponys down, lite de fire, put on a big ol pot of coffee, and talk about how strong and brave our teams are.
bullfoot thinkszzzzzzzzzzz
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#13756 10/22/2003 7:04 AM | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 70 Member | | Member Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 70 | bullfoot has your answer all gear turn in nuteral if you want to stop them put it in 2nd before putting it in 1st or revese. This works on all man. trans. If it still grind ajust clutch you might also have a hanging pilot bearing Big ttucks have a clutch brake to stop the gears | | |
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