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porky here-

trying to mount my deluxe heater control chrome bezel to my dash, looks like two set screws go in top and maybe two screws and nuts on the bottom. do you guys know the exact hardware that i need to use or chevy part numbers so i know screw length and thread etc.

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Stuff like this is what you figure out when building a truck. They are not set screws. Just eyeball the size, type of head and length that would be needed and buy several types at the store. They are cheap. Stainless or chrome screws. A GM part number would not help. This a is a basic skill you need to learn. Sizing hardware.

That particular control could not be easier. You have the countersink on the bottom so you know the head style (probably oval head) and the receiving female thread or tinnerman on the truck. At the top, you have the threads in the control casting. Take the control to Ace and dig around.

Parts like this control also need to be examined to be sure threads are still viable. If not, carefully chase them. You can't wait to find out there is a problem during install and then strip the threads.

Calipers and a thread gauge is nice to have. Soon you will just eyeball the size and know if it's coarse or fine. Back then, hardware was basic, not fancy. Standard sizes and not that many sizes.

The "bright" hardware/ "trim" screws are either sheet metal or SAE threads. The "countersunk" screws are usually oval head, a variant of flat head. They are stainless steel or chrome plated. Sometimes you will have flat head or pan head hardware in the small stuff. (screws). 99% of them will be "cross recessed" (Phillips). Some are clutch head and can still be purchased or switch to Phillips or slotted. Machine screw and sheet metal screw sizes will be #6, #8, #10, #12 ( .138, .164, .190, .216 ). The bolts will start at 1/4-20. Of course, there will be some odd balls. Ain't no metric.


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Bartamos....

thanks so much and yes you're right on the money! took my truck apart 16 years ago and over time due to me being an amateur much of the hardware went missing and unfortunaelty that's what slows me down the most now. i just want to make sure i'm finishing the truck correctly. again , thanks....
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If you are missing hardware, that happens to all of us. Just determine the type of hardware (screw or bolt), thread size and length. For bolts, normally grade 5 hardware is plenty strong enough. The bolt heads have three hash marks radially on them at 120 deg apart.

The length is determined by the "stack". The stack, like the "grip" in rivets, is merely the thickness of all parts being joined, including all washers and some extra stick out length. A good rule of thumb for extra length is about 1 diameter of the fastener. Then round up to next available length. The bolt should "stick out" past the threads or nut. Hardware store bolt length increments are sometimes large. (1/4" or 1/2") If you are trying to match an original bolt, you may not find that exact length due to the fact that the factory had better access to smaller length increments or a "special". So just round up.

Use lock washers and flat washers, not lock nuts. The lock washer goes under the head if no nut is used or under the nut, if used. I know you know most of this, just covering all bases for posterity. Most of the time real tight is good enough without a torque wrench. As long as you realize the size you are tightening and do not use extra length wrenches or use two arms. On small threads, keep your hand near the socket end of the ratchet wrench. Not out on the handle.

I use my "weak" arm and tighten until my elbow clicks. smile You must be careful with bolts under 3/8. Don't go crazy on hardware that won't hurt if they come loose, like the heater control. Motor bolts, steering bolts, drivetrain bolts and wheel lugs need to be tightened to spec with a torque wrench.

You should go around the truck before assembly and "chase" all threads. Use a tap gently into the female threads. Use a die gently on all bolts after they are wire wheeled clean. Hardware will then go on nicely. Many times I have run into hardware store fasteners that don't thread in nicely. This is due to zinc plating on them being out of spec (Chinese). Either find better hardware or just chase them. Zinc plating can be pretty sloppy sometimes. Cad plated was stopped for awhile due to health reason. Galvanized is not used for automotive. Black phosphate/black oxide are good.
You don't need ARP high strength and you don't need stainless bolts for general use. There are some good general automotive fastener suppliers and FLAPS.
There are some specific types of bolts for the body, like fender bolts with a built-in "washer", called flange head. There are bolts with a "lead-in" point. Suit yourself as to if the specialness is necessary. Most times there is a good reason for them.


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