The Stovebolt Site Forums The Parking Lot Big Bolts Bit of help on rear lug nut/studs for a 58 viking rear axle

Hey guys... I have had a bit of a problem getting the old widow makers off the back axle... I fear the studs holding the inner wheel on are going to get totalled in the process as they are seized in tight! .. where do I get new ones from and what sizes are they?... based in England so I can't hop to a local yard you see 😉 any info would be greatly appreciated!

Be sure you're turning them the right direction- - - -the studs on the driver's side of a left hand drive vehicle have left hand threads. Of course, it you've gotten the outer wheels off already, you have probably discovered that. Budd-style wheels are usually installed with a 1" square drive impact wrench that's capable of over 1,000 ft/lbs. of torque, so you'll need a LONG lever if you're trying to remove them by hand! I use a 4 foot long piece of water pipe as a cheater bar.

Sometimes the really tight ones need some attention from an acetyline torch and penetrating oil before they break loose.
Jerry

Ah yeah I got the left hand thread test already 😅 ... I have a big millwaukee m18 fuel impact gun and it's not too bad with the outers but I couldn't find anything to fit the square drive inners... , worrying you mention acetylene as I have no access to any 😣 I'll keep ya posted! 😉

There is a combination socket that I use for Budd style wheels- - - -one end fits the 1 1/2" outer nuts, and it flips over for the square inner nuts. It's 3/4" drive. I got mine at a NAPA parts store. I'll see if I can find a part number in their online catalog. I believe the square shank on the inner nut is either 3/4" or 7/8", don't remember which without measuring one.

Wrong!

It's a 13/16" square shank, and here's the combination socket:

https://www.napaonline.com/en/p/NPT616826

Jerry

Cheers fella I appreciate it!

Like Jerry said, may need some heat, even a propane or map gas torch might be enough to expand the shank and break the rust bond. I had to heat three or four of them but I have oxy-acetylene so I hope you have good luck with them. And yes, left hand threads on the left side of the truck.

I have a 5' cheater pipe (3-1/2" diameter) I slide over a big truck 4-way lug wrench. I put the socket on the lug nut with a jack stand under the opposite end to hold it level, stuff a few rags into the pipe to help deaden the ring when the nut moves and put all of my 200 pounds into it. Never had one not come loose...

Mike B

Haha cheers guys,... going to order up a socket to start off and then get to the hard work when it arrives 😉 we have an 8ft scaffolding bar handy so that may help 😄

Just a thought Andy. You could also find, scrounge, buy one of those torque multiplying wrenches. Two versions that I found.

One is 1/58 and the heaver is about 1/76 ratio reduction. Cheep version from 52 / 75 bucks the better made and greater reduction you can find
on line in the 95 / 130 buck range. most come with 3 sockets and the 13/16 square drive socket for the inner stud.
The better kits actually have a few more big sockets. I have just ordered one so can not report yet.

I was not aware of this device until I looked for advise on how a old retired guy like me could change a wheel on our big motor coach.
It will also solve the problem of a "too tight for me" pinion nut on my 55 one ton Chevy.

Every one with a big bolt should have one of these handy tools. Far less expensive than a 1in impact gun.
And it can be used on the road where you may not have air.

Like me you will take a hit on the Pound / US dollar conversion. Canadian money not worth much down here. (Palm Springs Ca.)
I just wish I knew about this device 50 years ago.

Good luck .Howie.

The inner and outer nuts are cheap. I heat them until they are red hot and then pour water on them. You might want to do this several times. I even go so far as to cut them, but you have to use care not to cut into the stud. I have 1" impacts and one of these for really stubborn bolts.

http://www.protoindustrial.com/en/industrial-tools/Proto/Precision-Torque-Tools/Torque-Multipliers/600fcaaf-5cc5-4579-8d41-9d9a9d242446_Proto%C2%AE-Torque-Multipliers-3200-Ft-Lbs/#

But without heat you would probably break a stud. I still have one of these around somewhere.

https://www.amazon.com/Ken-Tool-Power-Wrenches-3-Pc-Model/dp/B00132AMF2

But on a really tough one, 3 to 1 leverage is really not enough without heat.