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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 126 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 126 | Just bought this truck. Can't seem to easily find elect dist or conversion for it. Any ideas or can you point me to a discussion on this topic.
Would it be easier if I convert to neg 12 volt system? | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 | 1938 6v 216 with original distributor?
| | | | | Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 126 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 126 | Tim. Yes. Original 216 motor with 6 volt pos ground system. Want to make it a daily driver and thus lose the points and rotar. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | "make it a daily driver and thus lose the points and rotor" those 2 things are not connected, you want to 'lose the points and rotor' because you think it's an 'upgrade' > it's not, points ignitions are totally dependable for daily use, it's the "electric distributor" that you'd need to carry a spare for
Bill | | | | | Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 815 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 815 | Bill, this is interesting, as I have been trying to decide the same change for my stock 216, but there seems to be some controversy on the subject. What are some of the pros and cons and why do you suppose guys go to this extra expense? Sorry I did't mean to hijack the post. Steve | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 | Tim. Yes. Original 216 motor with 6 volt pos ground system. Want to make it a daily driver and thus lose the points and rotar. I think it would be 6v negative ground. I agree with Bill - there is no performance/reliability benefit in have an electronic ignition on that engine. Pertronix does not show a unit for your year engine. Maybe someone knows why not? I have had a Pertronix unit on one 235 engine and one 261 engine (one 6v and one 12v). I notice no difference in performance/starting. When I travel long distances, I carry a spare distributor that has been adjusted and tested (it has new points, rotor, condenser, and cap). I have had a condenser go bad but never a Pertronix unit go bad (other members have reported having problems with Pertronix units). | | | | | Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,377 Ex Hall Monitor | | Ex Hall Monitor Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 6,377 | What are some of the pros and cons and why do you suppose guys go to this extra expense? I've kept the original points in my '38 because they are available everywhere and rock solid with once or twice a year maintenance. I've read numerous posts in different forums from folks who 'upgraded' to electronic only to be left dead on the side of the road. If you buy a quality electronic unit you may not ever have an issue BUT the upside to having the stability of the original points is a strong argument in their favor.
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| | | | | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | folks go electronic because they think 'modern' must be better, same reason the latest iPhones model sells to folks that already have the previous model  Bill | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,811 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,811 | There are two kinds of Pertronix conversions- - - -the ones that have failed, and the ones that are going to. Then you're stranded in Lower Slobbovia with a broken-down vehicle and an ignition system with proprietary parts that have to be ordered from several states away. That's why people carry a drop-in distributor with points- - - -sort of like a spare tire. Keep the engine tuned properly on your daily driver and your 6V point-type ignition will work great. If you're racing, that's a different kettle of fish! Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,096 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,096 | LOL at the nay sayers ..........
Motor vehicles are just a mechanical device designed to keep us poor and off the road .
Having said that . My pertronix has been in the truck for 15 yrs with NO issues.
The truck does start easier , the dist has required NO periodic maintenance. I do have a small improvement in mpg. 80K successful miles .
Nope , I don't feel the need to carry a spare dist etc. The truck constantly proves its self to be very reliable.
Each to their own , eh. | | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,281 Renaissance Man | | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,281 | Only issue which I had with the Pertronix was when my Chinese ignition switch left my ignition on all night (key was not in the truck). It fried the Pertronix module and melted the top (which is on the bottom) of the coil. I changed back to points and noticed no loss in performance. If Pertronix could address the key-left-on problem, I would consider trying it again, just to eliminate one more thing to maintain. Carl
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| | | | | Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,636 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,636 | If points are closed and the key is left on you'll bake the points.
I would stick with the points in the distributor on it. Carry an extra set in the glove box for just in case you need them. But the points will last a long time with just a little care.
I've used Pertronix with good results. But there are those that have had very good luck with it. | | | | | Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 126 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2012 Posts: 126 | Wow. Thanks for all the feed back! Given I can find an electrical unit I'll stick with old school and see how that goes. | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,811 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,811 | The simplest, most reliable conversion is the GM HEI system from a 230/250/292 engine, but it requires converting to 12 volts. The modification of the distributor housing has been covered repeatedly here, and I believe there's a tech tip on it. I don't think anyone has figured out how to do a simple electronic ignition conversion on a 6 volt system without going to an expensive, unreliable aftermarket setup with proprietary parts. Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 Riding in the Passing Lane | | Riding in the Passing Lane Joined: Jun 2004 Posts: 8,597 | The biggest advantage to electronic ign is it doesn't change the tuning as you drive. Once you get the initial timing & advance mechs. the way you want them they will stay. I have used Petronics on the 6 cyl. models & HEI on v-8s unless there is a clearance problem. I have never had a failure but I would carry a spare if I was going a long way from home. They say money can't buy happiness. It can buy old Chevy trucks though. Same thing. 1972 Chevy c10 Cheyenne SuperIn the Gallery Forum | | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,281 Renaissance Man | | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,281 | The biggest advantage to electronic ign is it doesn't change the tuning as you drive. Once you get the initial timing & advance mechs. the way you want them they will stay. Bingo! We have a Bingo! Somebody send him a turkey! Carl
1952 5-window - return to "as built" condition | 1950 3100 with a 235 and a T-5 transmission
| | | | | Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,832 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,832 | I use a GM HEI distributor in everything. The things will go so long with no care that the advance weights will wear through the pivot pins and you can buy parts from any parts store. The plugs are gapped 0.045 on modern high compression engines but I gap mine at 0.060 on my old 6.5-1 compression engines and get a super big hot spark. Flooding, percolation, and hot start problems disappear. For my 37 Buick I used an Oldsmobile case turned down 0.060 and a Chevy shaft that was shortened and the oil pump drive tang milled on at the correct distance. I then run it on the Sun Distributor machine and use the weights and springs it takes to mimic the advance curve of the old straight 8 distributor. As you can see by the dirt and mis-matched wires it's been going for a long time. I might look under the cap in 5 years or so. http://s32.photobucket.com/user/coilover/media/Dar%20Dog%20HEI%20003_1.jpg.htmlhttp://s32.photobucket.com/user/coilover/media/Dar%20Dog%20HEI%20002.jpg.html
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