The Stovebolt Site Forums The Shop Area Paint and Body Shop 47-53 grey/silver interior, dash, door paint....jim carter brown?

Does anyone have any pictures of the finished product using this paint Jim Carter sells?......

"Semi-Flat Brown Enamel Slight Metallic
Item # PT107E "


How "brown" is it?

I wish I could find paint to match the original silver ish grey color for the inside of the doors, dash, rocker panels, etc...

Check out Denny Grahams post here. This may assist in your selection. Denny does a nice job in explaining with words and pictures. Have fun and good luck.

Dan

I purchased some of Jim Carter's interior paint and found after I sprayed out a sample and compared it to the remaining original paint that it was way too brown in color and did not use it. The PPG 27467 or Rustoleum 7272 is a much closer match. If anyone would like a quart of the Jim Carter interior paint I will send it to them for the cost of shipping.
Mike

Mike did you use the PT849 interior paint from Jim Carter?

mynameismoon, some of the colors discussed here are not the silver color, they are the brown tone. example I used rattle can rustoleum 7272, but it is brown metallic not silver.


are you trying to get something close to what you have?
do you have a pic?

The correct interior color changes so much when subjected to different light intensity and types of light, and from viewing it at different angles, that it is like a chameleon and hard to define accurately. I have heard different people describe it as brownish, silvery, tan, even olive drab-like (I think that particular guy drinks too much).
The thing about it though, is that I know it when i see it. At least I think I do. Rustoleum 7272 works for me.
Carl

The tech tip in the sticky shows a interior gray metallic offered in 53

Tell me Carl, is it the left:
http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/image/118767762
or the right?
http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/image/118767771
or is this better
http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/image/154619123/large
Door is original, inspection panel is PPG DBU 27467, chip is submitted by another bolter.
And you are 100% correct Carl. It depends on where the light is coming from, depends
on where the panel is in the truck and what sort of environment it was exposed to and
then there is time and the fact that it was exposed to the air we breathe which is 21%
oxygen. Being exposed to air and never having been protected by wax, which 99% of
these trucks never saw inside the cab. You could box one of these trucks up when it
was brand new and 65 years later take it out of the box and the paint would have faded
and changed color from the original simply from age and oxidation.
Bottom line is, there is absolutely no way of telling what the original paint tint was even if
it was kept in a garage and never driven it’s whole life so find something that looks close
and go with it.

dg

sstock
It was PT107E from Carter that I have but did not use.
Mike

The interior paint that I bought from JC back in 2006 was flat,
brown and reminded me of something that one would scoop up off
the bottom of a mud puddle.
I too had a can sitting on the shelf for a long time, I finally
chucked it when I moved to the new house a couple of years ago.

dg

Thanks for all the input, very appreciated!

It looks like I need to look into the rustoleum 7272.


My first truck was a 1950 Chevy pickup with original paint and I grew very fond of that grey/silver color. Every time I see a truck with repaint, it just looks a little "off" from what I remember...

I now have a 1947 with original paint, but the interior paint is pretty oxidized and is starting to get light surface rust, making it a little hard to match.

Here are a few pics of my entire cab done in 7272. Some great Stovebolt advice "the rattle cans make it easy to touch up. Photobucket1 Photobucket2

Yep.
Carl

7272 is not remotely close to silver, in any light

I don't know what kind of lighting marko2727 used for his pics above, but his 7272 looks mighty silvery to me. I'll bet it looks different in person.
Carl

The OP is mynameismoon
He wanted to see pictures of Jim carter paint


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Subject: Re: 47-53 grey/silver interior, dash, door paint....jim carter brown?

I don't think anyone provided pictures he wanted

I would not assume every AD truck from 47 to 53 had brown interior paint. But who knows

Me too. I like the way Rusto 7272 looks, which is what really matters.

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Subject: Re: 47-53 grey/silver interior, dash, door paint....jim carter brown?

I don't think anyone provided pictures he wanted

I would not assume every AD truck from 47 to 53 had brown interior paint. But who knows

I have been following this thread but haven't posted until now. I was wondering some of the same things about the interior paint from Carter. I went ahead and finished painting my interior with the brown. Like I have said now that it is done I'm not going to redo it. For what it is worth here is some pictures of my cab and doors. Like the other post mine actually looks silver in the pictures except for the one of the door access cover I took outside. It is for sure a brown. Hope this helps the OP some.
Steve Cab interior from driver's side
Closeup of dash, includes a screwup in form of a run
[/quote] Cab from Passenger side Inside of door Access hole cover from door taken outside showing true brown color

I used 2 quarts of the Carter PT-107 paint on my '48 last August. I had it made into rattle cans. I found the spray bombs easy to use, since this was a repaint of a fully intact cab. The rattle cans allowed easy access to some tight locations. I stripped the cab and taped-off as needed. I believe the 1-1/2 rattle cans that remain will make it easier for touch-up. As one can see as you sift through the "Bolt Bucket" pictures that I have posted (click the link), I believe that the color is hard to describe. Carl stated it best...it depends on the type of lighting, intensity of the light, and the angle. It is an odd paint color to describe--like a chameleon!

From what I have seen, the Rustoleum 7272 will produce a nice finish. GOOD LUCK!

Thanks for posting the JC paint


Here is a silver interior
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Only problem is I don't know what paint that guy used and don't know if its the silver metallic mentioned in the sticky. http://1954advance-design.com/Advan...%20Tech%20Tip%20--%20Paint%20Colors.html
Or just a silver he picked out

Going to sound real ignorant here...since I sprayed out the interior last August, I have done nothing to it. No clear coat, no buffing, no waxing, etc. What are guys doing to the finish? What would have been a factory finish on it?

I rattled can mine almost 5 years ago
Rustolieum brand. No clear

Still looks good to this day

I live in an area with lots of sun. I didn't want a shiny dash



Not sure how the factory did it?

I have recently seen several that have what I believe to be "original" interior paint and I have become convinced that the paints everyone seem to use are lacking in one very important area... finish.

I am seeing FLAT finishes on these original dashboards, and it is a light grey with only a tiny hint of warmth (reddish or brown cast). Virtually all of the repainted ones I have seen are too brown, too dark and too glossy.

I keep seeing the mention of a different grey color for '53 but it seems to be a mystery buried in the sands of time, no one really can say what it was. My first truck (a '53) is lighter like that and I believe its dashboard to be "original".

I am taking picture of all of them I see and I may just "wing it" with a color that looks like that. The problem is that pictures deal with Pantone colors and not with paint dyes. I am no expert at all but I know that it's not easy to translate between the two.

The binders are different resins, the pigments are chemically different, the metal flake is
a different material, and the reducers are different now a days due to the use of
hardeners and catalysts. All of the individual components that make up paint are
compounds of many different materials. Each individual chemical in the compound will
age differently as they outgas and oxidize over time. All of the materials making up
paints today are of a completely different generation than those of a half century or
more in the past.
For those reasons you will never be able to come up with a ‘perfect’ match. Even
pristine original paint that has been hidden from the sun and weather will have changed
by merely being exposed to the atmosphere for 50, 60 or 70 years. Some of the
components that make up the pigment could be faded to a lighter color or some darker,
some of the resins could have darkened, some of the metal flake will be oxidized
possibly making it lighter or darker depending on the alloy used.
In other words, it’s impossible to say exactly what the original color was. The best we
can do is find something that looks correct to the eye. PPG has offsets that are close to
the original AD interior color, and on the less expensive side, the Rustoleum 7272 that
some of the guys have been using is a good alternative.
It’s been so long since any of us have sat behind the wheel of an original painted dash
in our daily driver because of the plastic padded safety dash of today, that we’ve
forgotten that the interiors of yesterday’s vehicles were in fact, painted with a gloss
paint. I can remember vividly waxing all of the dash boards and garnish moldings in all
of the vehicles that I owned ranging from the ’34 Studebaker, to the ’41 Caddy to the
many cars thru the 50’s and 60’s. I can’t remember one that was ever finished with flat
paint!

DG

Much of the information in the Tech Tip given in the last post by DADS50 came from the sources at the links below (plus paint chip sheets linked-to in the Tech Tip). Information on interior parts was somewhat limited.

Here is some documentation that was used:

1953 Chevrolet Service News article.

47-55 Advance-Design colors (some of the interior colors, if shown, are "boxed" for emphasis)

Those names/codes do not help to visualize what the colors look like.

Regarding the level of gloss of interior colors, many people think that a "mild amount" of flattening compound (to achieve "low gloss" or "semi-gloss") was used in interior paints in at least some years. Documentation on this is minimal.

Interesting

Dark tan metallic


Sheen gray metallic

Are different colors

Thanks for the additional service bulletin

I'm rattle canning my truck's door jambs and door interior panels with Rusty's 7272830 Metallic Dark Bronze and love it. Close enough to the original for me.

Yes, I used the same. ...good stuff...



But the question stoveboltgator had was about a gray color used in 53


tclederman provided information on that

The real problem is finding a paint chip for the 202-81407 (DuPont) or 31104 (PPG). I just have to believe that my 53's dashboard is that color, especially with the remark by tclederman that there WAS a flattener added for interiors... this dashboard is definitely not a high-gloss finish. This color also goes real well with brown leatherette seat cover and door panels from the one original example I have seen.

'Dark tan metallic'
'Sheen gray metallic'
Are different names, that does not mean that they were different
shades or tint. The name change most likely was generated by
the marketing people looking for something fresh and new for
the current model year.
'many people think' and 'Documentation on this is minimal,'
is not the same as the definitive statement,
'there WAS a flattener added'.
I've never seen proof that an original dash was any thing
other than a gloss color sprayed at the same time the entire
interior was panted. And if your AD pickup had a silver, flat
gray, mud brown, pink or purple interior, it was either faded or
repainted at some time. The exclusions to this of course
are the Suburbans and the transition years '54-'55.
My guess would be that the appearance of the interiors being
a bit more dull that a normal exterior gloss, was because
the sheet metal was not prepped by priming and sanding as
was done for an exterior finish, but simply sprayed after
forming and assembly.
And as has been posted thousands of times here and on other
sites, show us the documentation and I'll believe you. Tim's
research on the colors is about the most complete that I've
ever seen and it in no way describes the Shade or Tint of
the original interior paint, merely that they bottled it
under a different name.
dg