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| | | | | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | 700R4 or stronger 4L80E [requires computer control], both OD .... need to add aftermarket crossmembers for engine side mounts and trans mount .... yes must have a trans cooler, best incorporated in the rad .... Lokar makes good shifters
Bill | | | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,100 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 6,100 | Hy Maddoggee1959, this subject is quite a can of worms to discuss,I agree that an overdrive would be the most desirable with todays gas prices. That leaves the 700R4 with mechanical control, or the 4L60E, 4L65E, or the 4L80E with computer control (stand alone controls can be purchased for the "E" series transmissions). None of these transmissions would allow the factory rear engine mount to be used, and the front engine mounts should be changed to use the side mounts which would mean some fabrication, either an aftermarket frame crossmember with the mount bosses incorporated into it or individual mounts projecting from either frame out towards the engine. You would also have to install an aftermarket crossmember to support the rear of the transmission and possibly remove some or all of the factory engine rear crossmember. You could also look for a factory Dual-Range Hydramatic and install an independent overdrive unit such as a Gear Venders. I hope that gives you some food for thought. | | | | | Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 186 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2014 Posts: 186 | I just had to make the same choice. On Friday I ordered a 700r4. | | | | | Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,518 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2013 Posts: 1,518 | A little spendy but I like Gear Vendors OD unit, if money is no object, and it is bullet proof, very trick too. 1953 Chevrolet 3100261 cu inch, sm420, 3.55 rear, torque tube still,omaha orange, still 6 volt, RPO green glass, side carrier spare, all done In the DITY GalleryVideo of the 261 running1964 GMC 1000305 Big Block V6, sm420, the next cab off restoration
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| | | | | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 | A little spendy but I like Gear Vendors OD unit, if money is no object, and it is bullet proof, very trick too. Agreed. It's more or less the same as the old B/W overdrive that was used behind the 3 speeds originally. But does Gear Vendors even have one for the old Hydramatic?
Bill Burmeister | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,878 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,878 | Gear Vendors uses the Laycock overdrive that was used behind Jaguar, Triumph, Volvo, and several other European cars. It has no resemblance whatsoever to the B-W overdrive unit. Good item, but horrendously overpriced! I'm getting set up to add a Laycock unit to my 85 Ford E350 mini-motorhome behind a 460 V8 with a C-6 3 speed. It will be a divorced unit mounted on crossmembers between the main transmission and the rear axle like a transfer case. Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 | I guess I meant that the basic operation is similar. Looks like I need to school myself on them before I comment. (dadnabbit Jerry, you're making me learn stuff! :D)
Bill Burmeister | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,878 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,878 | "Once a teacher, etc.- - - - -" Lots of us old retired classroom dictators have a tendency to walk off and leave our mouths running! Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 568 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 568 | 200r has a better first gear. Lots of muscle car guys like em for that reason. Might help with getting the load moving.
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| | | | | Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,636 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,636 | A question that needs to be considered is what rear end gearing do you have.
Sometimes the OD doesn't work well with a rear axle that is not geared for it.
I like the 700R4, but I have also become a fan of the 2004R after building a few and installing them. | | | | | Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 568 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 568 | 3.73 and a 200r sounds good
I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.
| | | | | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 | Just remember, the 200 was not designed for any truck use, nor was it made for any sort of high performance use in stock form. The 700, on the other hand, was used not only in high performance and police applications, but also in trucks up to 3/4 ton.
Bill Burmeister | | | | | Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 568 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 568 | I wouldn't put a stock anything in anything. But I think the 200 can hold up to a stock 350. I just think the 1st gear of a 700 is a tad long. The 1-2 shift is wierd on the 700 IMHO
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I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.
| | | | | Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 901 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 901 | 2004r's in grand national's and turbo regals turned 12's in the quarter. That takes some horsepower to do that.
Brian 1955.2 3100 Truck The older I get the more dangerous I am!!!!! | | | | | Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 568 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 568 | 200 is the same length as a th350 which makes for an easy swap on most vehicles. No driveshaft bs and parking brake cable crud to mess with. With the right kit you can make em bullet proof. But they did handle the grand nationals as stated above.
I can explain it to you, I can't understand it for you.
| | | | | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 | 2004r's in grand national's and turbo regals turned 12's in the quarter. That takes some horsepower to do that. Turning 12s in the quarter and having a transmission that will handle a load are completely different things. After re-reading what the op is planning to use the truck for (towing), the 200 is not a good choice. It simply is not load rated for that use. As I mentioned, the 200 was never used in a full size truck (some 4 cylinder 2wd S10s did use them). A 700 will live far better in a truck. Since the ruck is no longer stock anyway, the driveshaft and transmission mounts are not really an issue.
Bill Burmeister | | | | | Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,636 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,636 | I like the 2004R. Wouldn't be afraid to use it if it's built right.
The 700R4 is good too. But it also has it weaknesses that have to be addressed in a good rebuild.
Built right I wouldn't worry about either transmission.
Used both and have had good results with both. | | |
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