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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,337 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,337 | I for one can see no benefit in doing this. I like to be able to pull the front main for bearing inspection and shim removal on engines that have shims.
If I had a cam failure I would want to pull the pan to clean it out any ways.
I know brokenhead has a reason he likes it but I cant remember what that is.
What do others think?
See the USA in your vintage Chevrolet! My Blog | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,847 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,847 | I liked it because I didn't have to take the pan off to remove my cam. It hadn't technically failed, but due to the valves seizing up it had started to show signs of impending failure. There was some other thing it came in handy for, but I don't recall right now. | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 9,671 | I'm with Dave on this one. If your are into the engine heavy enough to be pulling the cam, your only a few minutes away by dropping the pan also. GM had to have a good reason for building them that way for all those tens of millions of units. If your seeing signs of impending failure in the top end then it sure would't be a bad idea to take a look at the bottom end.
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| | | | | Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,393 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 2,393 | I'll admit years ago I did just that because it was, "Hey, that's a neat idea. Think I'll do that." Guess what. Done and never came off the engine again. So yeah, I agree, for most of us, not needed.
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| | | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,544 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,544 | The only reason I can think of doing it is if a person plans on trying multiple camshafts in their motor. I'm not to sure how many different cam profiles are even available anymore for a 235. | | | | | Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,418 ODSS Lawman | | ODSS Lawman Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,418 | I like this mod because it gives you the OPTION to remove the cover without removing the pan. As said above, if I were going deep enough to remove the cam I'd also remove the pan. However, if the timing cover had just a leak, I'd be glad I did this.
SWEET Sergeant At Arms: Old Dominion Stovebolt Society BUNS?!?!?!Where we're going, we don't need no buns.....1950 GMC 450 1951 Chevy 1/2-TonThe GreenMachineIn the Stovebolt Gallery | | | | | Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,847 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2006 Posts: 1,847 | No Denny, it wasn't signs of impending failure on the top end like you are thinking, it was (and still is) a complete, new rebuild, I had installed positive type seal on the valves, now I don't know if it was the seals or the fella didn't give me the proper clearance on the exhaust valves. Whatever the case, I had 3 or 4 valves seize causing a lot of strain on the cam, it hadn't actually lost any metal, just a couple of spots that were obviously the beginnings of spalling, barely noticeable on two of the lobes. Which if I had left it in would have failed spectacularly somewhere soon down the road. I like Sweets' take on it, you have the OPTION of removing the cover without removing the pan. And as I don't have shims, I will never need to adjust them. If you are assembling your engine with shims, it might pay to leave them alone. I still think the valve seals should have worked though......
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| | | | | Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 200 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2013 Posts: 200 | GM had to have a good reason for building them that way for all those tens of millions of units.
dg GM may have had reasons to do it at the time, but they had some better reasons to never do it again since then. I haven't met anyone that was sorry they did the modification.
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| | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,885 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,885 | If more folks had grown up around an independent shop in the mid-1950's like I did, the design would make more sense. Ring/valve jobs came pretty often back then, and the top quality shops ALWAYS adjusted bearing clearances in the process of a re-ring job. It was not uncommon to do a ring job every 30-40K miles back then, mostly due to abrasive wear caused by dirt that got past the oil bath air cleaners of the day.
The adoption of disposable paper air cleaners and PCV crankcase ventilation systems that used clean, filtered air to vent the crankcase doubled or even tripled the expected life of the average engine. Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,337 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 5,337 | Even on engines without shims between the block and cap I can make a case for not doing this modification. On a high mileage engine it is not uncommon for the main bearings to see wear. This will show up as low oil pressure on the gauge. Through the years I have worked on many of these engines. There are two fixes for this, both require pulling the main caps. Most expensive is to replace the bearings. Second is cheap and easy, (if the inserts are not too bad), and most people do not even know about this process. It was common practice in the old days to shim between the insert and the cap. This forces the bearing closer to the journal. In the old days they sold tapered shims just for this. I even do this on fresh rebuilds if the clearance is not right where I want it.
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