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#2 Make sure your timing isn't too advanced. If it's firing too early it'll make it crank slow.
#3 Are you getting spark?
Most slow cranking issues are solved by some combination of #1.
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| | | | | Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 3,399 Gas Pumper | | Gas Pumper Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 3,399 | A few things to think about before rebuilding your 216. The 216 was a babbit motor meaning the crank bearings are poured into its mold as opposed to the modern insert bearings. Finding someone to pour babbit is hard. Finding someone who is competent to pour babbit is almost impossible. Its a dying art. But, good news is, the vendors sell insert bearing kits to modernize your engine. You will find having a 216 rebuilt could actually be more expensive than replacing it with a 1954 or later 235.
If you are a purist or slanting in that direction, pay the extra and rebuild your original motor. If not, you will be happier in the long run with the 235 or 261. | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | . . . The 216 was a babbit motor meaning the crank bearings are poured into its mold as opposed to the modern insert bearings. . . "crank bearings" could confuse some readers - the main bearing are insert bearings - the rod bearings are babbitted to the rods | | | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,146 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,146 | But, good news is, the vendors sell insert bearing kits to modernize your engine. Are there any kits to turn a 216 low pressure, splash oiling engine into a 1954 or later 235, 261 full pressure oiling engine. | | | | | Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 3,399 Gas Pumper | | Gas Pumper Joined: Dec 2000 Posts: 3,399 | Tim, all I know is, and its very little, is I paid $800 about 10 years ago to have my 216 re-babbited. I would feel better about that price had Jerry (in another thread) not burst my bubble and corrected my assumption that all the bearings were re-babbited. Had I understood more about the engine, I would have purchased the vendors insert kit and been done with it. After that pain, I started rebuilding 235's again. So rebuilding a 216 wouldn't be any more work than a 235. Amazing what you learn when you aren't paying attention. LOL! | | | | | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | The conversion of the rods requires that they be bored to accommodate the inserts. Some vendors sell the converted rods and the inserts. Some will sell the rods with the old rods as cores. | | | | | Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,248 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,248 | Tim, all I know is, and its very little, is I paid $800 about 10 years ago to have my 216 re-babbited. I would feel better about that price had Jerry (in another thread) not burst my bubble and corrected my assumption that all the bearings were re-babbited. Had I understood more about the engine, I would have purchased the vendors insert kit and been done with it. After that pain, I started rebuilding 235's again. So rebuilding a 216 wouldn't be any more work than a 235. Amazing what you learn when you aren't paying attention. LOL! I think 1947 and back 216 engines had both babbit rods and main bearings. John | | | | | Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 775 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 775 | I had my 216 rebuilt about 3 years ago. It was about 3500 which included changing the rod bearings to insert. The mains were insert. I believe at some point ( earlier years) the mains were babbit too. I read quite abit about the 216. I think with normal driving it should hold up fine....oil changes too. | | | | | Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 402 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Aug 2012 Posts: 402 | No they were inserts mains and poured(babbit) rods as tclederman said, even 207 had inserts main bearings back in 36. Dan http://s1055.photobucket.com/user/baldybenny/library/ 1936 1.5 wrecker,1937 gmc coe,1939 Chevrolet coe,1942 4x4 coe, 1942 coe,1946 dump,1947 2 ton dump,another 1947 2 ton dump,1950 coe,1967 c30,1937 cat 22,1936 Chevrolet 5 window foremans coupe, 1914 ford speedster.
| | | | | Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,544 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Nov 2006 Posts: 2,544 | The main bearings had to be align honed in the early 216's. They were inserts though. | | | | | Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 325 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 325 | Would someone mind explaining what it means to align hone the main bearings? I understand pouring the babbet, and I understand honing cylinders, but honing bearings is sort of a mystery to me.
| | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | The main bearings had to be align honed in the early 216's. They were inserts though. Is a 1950/51 216 an early 216? | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,270 | Would someone mind explaining what it means to align hone the main bearings? I understand pouring the babbet, and I understand honing cylinders, but honing bearings is sort of a mystery to me. Align Bore Align Ream | | |
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