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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | Most of us who build stovebolt engines have experienced situations where the harmonic balancer has gotten loose and worn out the crankshaft snout, the Woodruff key, or both. In some extreme situations, the balancer comes off entirely and does a lot of sheet metal and/or radiator damage. While it's possible to recondition a damper with new rubber parts, once one is worn or damaged where it fits the crankshaft, there's not much it's good for but an anchor for a canoe! The 235 splash engine I'm rebuilding has this type of problem, with the crank snout worn about .002" under normal diameter. This will make the press fit of even a good-condition balancer pretty marginal.
Fortunately, there's a fix available- - - - -drill a hole in the crank snout and tap it for the same bolt & washer small-block V-8's used from the mid-1970's on, and keep the damper from loosening up and doing any damage. The trick is getting that hole drilled straight and true, and tapping it correctly. There's only one chance to do it right! The simplest, safest way is to set the crankshaft up in a drill press or Bridgeport mill during a rebuild, and be absolutely sure the hole is straight and true. How about the guy who wants to do the job in the frame, without dismantling the engine? The drill/tap operation is difficult at best, and disastrous in a worst-case scenario.
I am in the process of building a set of two guide bushings to slip over the crankshaft snout, one for the tap drill, the other for the tap, which will assure the hole, and the thread, will be centered and straight on the first attempt, even with the crankshaft in the engine, and if there's enough clearance for a 1/2" drill motor, with the engine in the frame. I've also got a balancer press that can bolt onto the crank snout once it's threaded, to install the balancer without hammering on it. Once I've case-hardened the guide bushings, I'll make the whole setup available for loan to forum members, with maybe a small deposit required just to assure they find their way home in a timely manner! Anybody interested? Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 | Jerry,
This is a very generous and helpful offer. When I did my last one, the engine was on the frame and the radiator was removed. I held my breath and hoped for the best, drilling by hand. Luckily, it turned out OK. I'd prefer not to take any chances.
A substantial deposit and a modest "rental fee" would be quite appropriate.
Thanks, | | | | | Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,897 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,897 | or you can put a long gmc motor in there that has already been drilled. just messing. That is a very nice offer. that job would make my b-hole pucker every time without it. | | | | | Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 554 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 554 | I had already drilled mine too. I would have been glad to pay a rental fee for the peace of mind. It made me a little nervous to do it freehand but it worked fine and drilled much easier than I expected. I think anyone who has used a proper tool (balancer press) to install dampers will agree that this sure beats pounding them on. I would be very hesitant to try to pull one on with just a bolt.
Chuck | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | I've re-tapped several race car crankshafts to a bigger thread after someone stripped the original thread trying to pull a balancer on. The balancer press bolts on tight, and uses a 1" diameter fine thread to do the pressing. Much safer, especially if there's room for an impact wrench to zip it on quickly! Fortunately, a stripped 7/16-20 thread makes a hole almost big enough to accept the next larger size tap, a 1/2"-20! All it takes is a slight enlargement of the hole before re-tapping. BTW, the same drill-tap guide I'm building for the stovebolt engines will fit the early V-8 cranks, 265, 283, and early 327, that came without the center bolt. Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,644 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,644 | When I rebuild my 235 this winter I'd rent it from you,or send in a deposit, Thanks.
Pete | | | | | Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,152 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Oct 2003 Posts: 5,152 | BTW, the same drill-tap guide I'm building for the stovebolt engines will fit the early V-8 cranks, 265, 283, and early 327, that came without the center bolt. Last time I dealt with this problem it was on an early 327. I did it free hand and don't believe I got it straight. However it worked a couple years afterward before spinning a rod bearing while a friend was driving the car well over 100 mph for some miles on the freeway. Until today I've never wondered if my drill work had anything to do with that failure.
1955 1st GMC Suburban | 1954 GMC 250 trailer puller project | 1954 GMC 250 Hydra-Matic | 1954 Chevy 3100 . 1947 Chevy COE | and more... It's true. I really don't do anything but browse the Internet looking for trouble... | | | | | Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,464 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,464 | Well, the Stovebolt "help your buddy out" spirit is alive and well. That's a very generous offer Jerry, thank you. Don't need it now but ya never know. I too think a rental fee would be in order to recoup some of your time and effort. | | | | | Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 187 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 187 | This posting is very timely as I've just posted the question concerning the lack of a threaded bolt for the damper. I have my crank out of the block and want to get it polished, I'm considering having it drilled and tapped while in a lathe. What would be an appropriate size bolt 1/2 NF? Nice offer with the tool idea to be lent out.
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The reason my lady and I have been together so long is because of the kids. Neither one of us wanted sole custody | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | The standard bolt that's used with the V-8's is a 7/16 X 20, with a heavy flat washer. That's the simplest option, and it uses readily-available OEM parts. I have rethreaded a few to 1/2", but it's not my first choice. The lathe idea is a good one, IF you've got a big enough lathe, and you do something to protect the front main bearing journal when you set up the steady rest on it. A piece of oil-soaked leather wrapped around the journal might be a good option. Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 248 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Aug 2000 Posts: 248 | While you are in a generous mood Jerry....
...any chance of posting the design of our guide.... either in picture form or drawing so we can build our own.
Having to drill for a water pump adapter plate on a good fully rebuilt 261, we made our own guide using a 1/4 plate and a 3 inch section of tubing that held the drill bit exactly perpendicular to the block.... and we loaned it out..... and someone else borrowed it... now I can't remember who has it.
I have wondered if one bolted a home made guide onto the damper, using the puller bolt holes, if it would be accurate enough or more accurate than free hand drilling.
Thanks for your help.
Bob C
Bob C. CMP Heaven The Hammond Barn
| | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,878 . | | . Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,878 | ...any chance of posting the design of our guide.... either in picture form or drawing so we can build our own... I suspect the guide pilots off the snout of the crankshaft, and has a concentric hole drilled in it the size of the tap drill for the chosen bolt. Then if you want a tap guide as well a second one is made with a hole to fit the major diameter of the tap. Were I to make one for repeated use I'd use drill bushings. If planned right the two bushings would be interchangeable in the same body. In fact the same body would work for multiple bushings to suit different drill sizes. Look at www.McMaster.com for these part numbers: 8493A263 bushing for 7/16-20 tap drill, 25/64" 8493A329 bushing for 1/2-20 tap drill, 29/64" As well as a bushing for 7/16" tap (~0.010" clearance), 8493A049 bushing for 1/2" tap, (~0.008" clearance) Also need one of number 8496A13, a lock screw for the bushings. The above parts would cost about $42, or half that if you only wanted two bushings (one tap size only) not sure what tap size is normal for this procedure? I can also make some of these if there is interest, send me a PM. Grigg
Last edited by Grigg; 05/01/2010 1:37 AM. Reason: correct part numbers/sizes
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | Grigg, you nailed it! I made two guide pieces, one with the diameter of the tap drill (Letter drill "W" for 7/16X20) and another one to guide the tap, with a 29/64" hole in it. I made mine with a few thousandths' clearance over an unworn crank snout, 1.152" diameter. On a worn crank, wrap a layer or two of masking tape around the crank to take up any slop. You'll need to remove the Woodruff key from the crankshaft, or broach a slot in the guide to accomodate the key. It's easier to remove it, unless you're trying to do it with the timing cover in place. My drill guide also aligns itself in the front oil seal, but I really don't plan to attempt a drill/tap job with the timing cover on!
I use Kasenit case-hardening compound, same stuff I use in my gunsmithing, to harden the fixtures. Coming soon- - - - -a harmonic balancer pusher that works with the old style balancer with the hand-crank lugs! Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,878 . | | . Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,878 | Jerry, Do you have any pictures yet?
When you caseharden it will the bore still be true and on size, or will you need to grind it after hardening?
Grigg | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | Kasenit leaves a little scale during the hardening process, but it's easily removed with a cartridge roll on a mandrel, either spun in a die grinder or a drill press. I've got some very small-diameter ones I use while doing finish-up work on cylinder head porting jobs.
No pics yet- - - - -I forgot to bring the pieces home from the school shop, so I'll take the casehardening powder back there from the gunshop Monday morning. Jerry
Last edited by Hotrod Lincoln; 05/01/2010 3:37 AM.
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 | I'd be very interested in using this tool once you finish it. I've got my new balancer from Buffalo, and haven't had time to work on the truck yet, so this is quite timely.
regards, Leon | | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 | Jerry, Any pictures or progress reports, so we can all express our admiration, or are you flooded out?
Leon | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | We're not flooded, but school has been out all week. Lots of disruptions of bus routes, and a lot of students have been displaced to other schools in the district because of flooded homes, etc. The next 3 weeks to the end of the school year is going to be interesting! I'm almost finished with an extended-thread pusher for my balancer installer, and a special adapter for the older balancers with the hand-crank lugs on them. as soon as everything is done, I'll set up an album on my photo host site, Hunt 101. Thanks for your concern! Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
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1952 1300 Canadian 1/2 ton restomod You Tube | | | | | Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,254 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,254 | Hi Jerry. This is a wonderful tool. Thank you. I also hope all is well there in Nashville. I spoke with my sister (lives just east of the city) and she said they were OK but there is a lot of water flowing.
Take care
Dennis -there is nothing stronger than the heart of a volunteer-
| | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 | Jerry, Just checking in Is the drill guide ready for the public yet?
regards, Leon | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | Hi, Leon! I've done one drill & tap job at my home shop, and the first road trip has begun. I sent the tooling out to a bolter in New York yesterday. The kit includes guide bushings for the drill bit ("W" letter drill), and a taper tap and plug tap for 7/16-20, plus a guide for the tap. I've also got two pusher tools, one for 6-cylinder balancers, and another one for V-8's. The 6 cylinder tool is a couple of inches longer. We decided on a $50.00 deposit (postal money order) with $30.00 refundable when the tools come back in good condition. I'll post a notice when the tooling is available again. Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 | Sounds great. My new balancer and I are standing by.
regards, Leon
| | | | | Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 2 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 2 | Is this ready for sign out/rental yet? | | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2005 Posts: 487 | I finished with it and returned it. Here's an article on my website showing its use. regards, Leon | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | Is this ready for sign out/rental yet? Yep, it's been out and back several times. If you need it, drop me a PM or an email. I take a small deposit, and return most of it when the tooling comes back in good shape. No problems so far! Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 2 Moderated | | Moderated Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 2 | Hello , I really could use it! I have an old 1965 chevelle with a 327 and sheered the HB pulley bolt , I need to drill and re-tap. Can I rent your guide to drill it???? | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | I can't reply by PM until you make a few more posts- - - -forum rules to discourage spammers. Drop me an email at [email protected] with "drill guide" in the subject line. Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,636 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 1,636 | You might also try a left handed drill bit. Sometimes they will grab the bolt and back it out. | | | | | Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 2 Moderated | | Moderated Joined: Sep 2013 Posts: 2 | Thanks for email Jerry I sent you email about special Drill guide and greatly appreciate any help. I am new here so I understand about PM. I am not spammer. Thanks. Brad | | | | | Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 4 New Guy | | New Guy Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 4 | I am so happy to read this post and find you guys. I live in Hawaii and just recently bought my 1950 chevy panel. I need to drill and tap my crankshaft to accept my new 2 groove HB..I am a newbie to this forum and not really sure how to get in touch with Hotrod Lincoln? I believe he is the guy that has the tool needed to do this install. Thank you for your help.
Aloha, Tim | | | | | Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 872 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 872 | If you have a drill and a tap you can do it by hand... its not a super critical operation. But the guides he has are a good deal for the rental. | | | | | Joined: May 2014 Posts: 1 Moderated | | Moderated Joined: May 2014 Posts: 1 | Hey Jerry would you please PM me with the information on how to borrow your crankshaft drill an tap guide.
Thanks | | | | | Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 306 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 306 | can this be done without taking the radiator out? i'm doing the 54 car engine in a 53 truck.
thanks rolf
1963 c10 | | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 Bubba - Curmudgeon | | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,269 | can this be done without taking the radiator out? i'm doing the 54 car engine in a 53 truck.
thanks rolf rolf, If you have the clearance shown in a picture at this link, that person drilled/tapped with the radiator in place. I do not think I could do in a 1954 truck, but a 1953 truck might be different. | | | | | Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 306 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2011 Posts: 306 | tim i'll have to look. i know i don't have that much clearance but i believe i have some. shes only got the fender skirts and the lower radiator baffle on the front end. push comes to shove i can take out the radiator. i'd like to save that antifreeze though.
thanks rolf
1963 c10 | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | I am so happy to read this post and find you guys. I live in Hawaii and just recently bought my 1950 chevy panel. I need to drill and tap my crankshaft to accept my new 2 groove HB..I am a newbie to this forum and not really sure how to get in touch with Hotrod Lincoln? I believe he is the guy that has the tool needed to do this install. Thank you for your help.Aloha, Tim Remind me NOT to loan a tool set to somebody with only four posts! It never came back! At least I got to keep the C-note deposit! Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
| | | | | Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,286 Renaissance Man | | Renaissance Man Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 10,286 | Jerry, did the C-note cover the price of the tool plus shipping? If not , maybe you need to increase the "deposit". We don't want to see you get mad and quit offering to help.
1952 5-window - return to "as built" condition | 1950 3100 with a 235 and a T-5 transmission
| | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,829 | Yes, that's why I raised the deposit after two sets of tooling stayed gone for several months. It used to be $50.00, which was not quite a break-even situation on parts, and didn't cover lathe time to make all the parts work right. I refund $75.00 when the tooling is returned in good shape, and I still have 3 sets on hand.
I've got a couple of other projects in the pipeline, one of which is a machining jig for getting a set of Babbit rods ready for insert bearings. I'll leave the big end of the rod about .002" undersize, and let my friendly local machinist finish the job with his Sunnen hone. I'm not quite ready to spend over $5K for a rod hone and tooling for the occasional rod converting job. The boring jig will also serve as a rough-out tool for changing the bore size of a Babbit rod prior to scrape-fitting it and shimming for clearance. I just bought two Ebay rods for 99 cents plus shipping, but they're .040" undersize. With the boring jig, I can make 'em standard, 10, 20, or 30 under to fit whatever crankshaft I'm working with.
Later on, I'm considering getting set up to pour Babbit, such as the main bearings on the 1929 Model A Ford engine I'm rebuilding. At least Stovebolts don't have poured main bearings! Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
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