well that tip did the trick! as I expected the old flasher unit never was wired up right and after all the years it must have been on there plus all the torn up wiring there was a mess. but I followed those directions and re-connected what I could and replaced and ran new wiring for the rest and I now have working turn signals and stop lights. I haven't got everything finished up but by test light and what I have hooked up it looks like I have a working system. thanks again! Raymond Skellytown Texas