Hi tclederman, your got it explained well.
the bush (they are only two year old) are real loose up and down
to the point where the worst is only held in place by the resistance of the grease. the others take a little bit of pushing. (finger only)
i just cleaned the worst one up real well, and set it in place, with some light lubrication it fell straight through the hole and out the other side with little to no holding.
trying to see how much side-to-side movment is hard to measure, but you can see it and feel it.
i dont have brand new bushes to try.
maybe im just looking into it to much and would be normal,im just trying to make the best job i can. i really thank all of you for your input.