use a very wide tipped big screwdriver, the screwdriver-like end of a tire iron, or a 'wunderbar' .... cripes, when I was a kid the rabble popped 4 off in seconds with bare hands and faded into the night wink

Bill


Moved over to the Passing Lane

"When we tug a single thing in nature we find it attached to the rest of the world" John Muir
"When we tug a single thing on an old truck, we find it falls off" me
Some TF series details & TF heater pics & Rust-a-holics Unanimous parking lot