thanks for the reply Hotrod, but the gas axe will be the LAST resort. I have used a torch with the wet rag and all on class 8 trucks and heavy equipment also. But I don't feel confortable doing it on this vehicle. Especially working by myself. This van has a 32 gal fuel tank 6 inches behind the differental. I am going to use the die grinder. I know I will get it, just may take a while. I hoped some one might have an idea that I haven't used. Mike