Hey - right next door to where I work is a place called "Ducks" . . .they have 4.5" grinders for $3.99. I couldn't believe it but they have boxes of them! I haven't bought one because, well, I think they are surely junk, but for $3.99 - you could use them and then toss them. How can you possibly sell something like that for $3.99 and make any money? :rolleyes: