| Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,836 | I've removed and replaced bunches of them with pair of Channellock pliers. There's just enough of a ridge around the top of the collar to get a grip on it, push down and twist. Jerry
"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt! There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
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