Well I have called a few places and the 60 acre medium duty salvage yard didn't have any either so I'm thinking these are like finding a diamond mine, they are out there just finding them is the ticket. i dont have the time to hunt anymore need the truck, so I'm gonna just order new ones from "wheelsnow" @ 250 each... and "wheelsnow" has not discontinued them, so for any of you in the same boat as me "wheelsnow" is the place to get them....