Grigg thanks for the link. I'm gonna check them out and see if I can get any cheaper, or if not Evansville, Indiana is about 2-3hour drive so beats paying the freight charge. on top of the rims. which the wheelsnow place has them also and they are wanting 250ea plus freight but I think it'll be worth it once i replace the rims and get new tires cuz I probably wont ever have to replace them or atleast for a good while cuz it's not drove alot