yea, so far the common concensus seems to be to treat it from the other side, but hey thats what I'm doing this for. I want to screw this thing up so I've got that much more experience under my belt before I tackle the real project.

that is an aweful lot of holes in one place, but as I got into it I couldn't see any way to pull this without making more holes.

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