Ok, so one more before I turn in for the night. I was looking to find a VIN but didn't know exactly where to look. I think that might help a lot too. I looked in the engine compartment and saw a small maybe 3x4 inch (its been a while so it may be wrong) tin or aluminum looking plate. Unfortunately, everything on that plate has been worn off. Is there any other place I might be able to find it. I don't have the title and am trying to get one, I'd like to have the original VIN if I can.