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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 | Hi again. Figure I would start a new post instead of hijacking my other one. My truck is a 1959 Apache: in the middle of installing a new complete wiring harness, 60A one wire alternator. While at a local SoCal speed shop, the guy behind the counter said it would be a good idea to install a 12ga shunt between the Ammeter Posts to tame the potential current accross the Ammeter. I'm not going to run a ton of accessories other than a heater and electric wipers. Do I need this shunt? I was told the alternator will only put out what the battery requires to charge and what is required to run the accessories. If I'm not running a bunch of accessories am I in jeopardy of pegging or ultimately damaging the Ammeter? | | | | | Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,458 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,458 | Do I need this shunt? I was told the alternator will only put out what the battery requires to charge and what is required to run the accessories. If I'm not running a bunch of accessories am I in jeopardy of pegging or ultimately damaging the Ammeter? [/quote]
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BC 1960 Chevy C10 driver 261 T5 4.10 dana 44 power loc 1949 GMC 250 project in waiting 1960 C60 pasture art Retired GM dealer tech. 1980 - 2022 | | | | | Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 | Wow, you are very animated about this. Is this something you have done to your truck because something happend to your ammeter? If you have done this, how did you tackle loosing two posts on the ammeter for the shunt, leaving only two posts to hook everything else to? | | | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 238 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 238 | As BC59 says you do need a shunt if you aren't going to peg the ammeter needle when you start your truck with a slightly flat battery. Just connect the two wires from the shunt to the ammeter. then connect the other ammeter wiring to either side of the shunt. Look at this photo, the two wires go off to the ammeter, the connector block takes the other wiring which would normally go to each side of the ammeter itself. BTW, the shunt in the photo was made for a 20A ammeter on an old Austin car. you need 3 100W 1 ohm resistors in parallel to shunt the ammeter on a chevy truck, I run this setup on my truck with a 68A alternator.
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| | | | | Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 | As BC59 says you do need a shunt if you aren't going to peg the ammeter needle when you start your truck with a slightly flat battery. Just connect the two wires from the shunt to the ammeter. then connect the other ammeter wiring to either side of the shunt. Look at this photo, the two wires go off to the ammeter, the connector block takes the other wiring which would normally go to each side of the ammeter itself. BTW, the shunt in the photo was made for a 20A ammeter on an old Austin car. you need 3 100W 1 ohm resistors in parallel to shunt the ammeter on a chevy truck, I run this setup on my truck with a 68A alternator. Wow, that's way different than the 12ga wire I was going to use as a shunt. Why would that guy tell me to use a plain old 12ga wire instead of the 3 resistors you are advising to use?? | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,841 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,841 | A simple, and very effective shunt can be made from a piece of steel sheet metal about 3/8" wide, 1/32" thick, and long enough to bolt to both ammeter posts. Enough current will bypass the ammeter to keep it from pegging out on a heavy charge, and there will still be enough current flowing through the ammeter to make the needle deflect a little, indicating charge or discharge. There's no need for a terribly sophisticated electronic device when the ammeter is going to be turned into an inaccurate charge/discharge indicator by whatever shunt is installed. Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | huh ... my 58 with a 63 amp alternator hasn't fried the ammeter, or even pegged it, and I've run the battery down good using the starter to move the truck across an intersection when it ran outta gas, then had to crank it long enough to get fuel flowing again .... maybe you guys are talking about the older AD gauges - or the wimpy gauge Stuart cites on the Austin  I've always converted my old trucks to alternators and never shunted the ammeter - no problems  Bill | | | | | Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 | A simple, and very effective shunt can be made from a piece of steel sheet metal about 3/8" wide, 1/32" thick, and long enough to bolt to both ammeter posts. Enough current will bypass the ammeter to keep it from pegging out on a heavy charge, and there will still be enough current flowing through the ammeter to make the needle deflect a little, indicating charge or discharge. There's no need for a terribly sophisticated electronic device when the ammeter is going to be turned into an inaccurate charge/discharge indicator by whatever shunt is installed. Jerry How's this, this is what I initially wanted to do. It's a 12ga wire with two spade connectors. If it needs to be a bigger gauge, I can go to a 10ga http://i1236.photobucket.com/albums/ff441/AZ59apacheguy/IMG_1144.jpg | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,841 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,841 | The trick is to make the shunt steel, not copper. It has enough higher resistance that a small amount of the current still takes the path of least resistance- - -through the ammeter. This causes the needle to deflect. The shunt simply allows enough of the current to bypass the ammeter that the needle doesn't peg out in high-current situations. Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 238 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 238 | huh ... my 58 with a 63 amp alternator hasn't fried the ammeter, or even pegged it, and I've run the battery down good using the starter to move the truck across an intersection when it ran outta gas, then had to crank it long enough to get fuel flowing again .... maybe you guys are talking about the older AD gauges - or the wimpy gauge Stuart cites on the Austin  I've always converted my old trucks to alternators and never shunted the ammeter - no problems  Bill Thanks for that, here's a picture of the non-wimpy stock Chevrolet 40A ammeter pegged on my '50 3100, it was like this when bought the truck, the PO obviously didn't think that an ammeter shunt was necessary when he fitted a 68A alternator. Any device which shunts the ammeter with a low resistance will stop it pegging, but the lower the resistance you use for the shunt, the less the needle will move. If you use a short length of large diameter copper wire, the needle may not move at all, so not really worth having the ammeter in circuit IMO. I used a shunt with known resistors rather than a length of wire/piece of sheet metal because it allows you to accurately calculate the FSD (Full scale Deflection) of the ammeter, I used 3 100W 1 ohm resisors in parallel which gave an FSD of 70A on my truck; and yes, the ammeter needle goes right the way over when I start the truck after leaving it for a few weeks.
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| | | | | Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 Cruising in the Passing Lane | | Cruising in the Passing Lane Joined: Feb 2002 Posts: 12,029 | so maybe we're talking the difference between gauges of the different year series, I don't find a rating shown for the 55-59 gauge anywhere [series in question here], but I know there was a 55amp HD generator available, so I'd expect the gauge should be able to handle that with a margin of safety .... and I've never seen a TF gauge peg under any conditions, although I'm sure a defective regulator could do it
but good tip on the shunt sizing for those that think it's needed, although 'upgrading' to a volt meter might be preferable
Bill | | | | | Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 | you need 3 100W 1 ohm resistors in parallel to shunt the ammeter on a chevy truck, I run this setup on my truck with a 68A alternator. Where can I get these resistors, I just went to Radio Shack and the greatest wattage resistor they had was 10watt. | | | | | Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,458 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,458 | [quote=AZ59apacheguyWow, you are very animated about this. Is this something you have done to your truck because something happend to your ammeter?
No, not on my rig. I've been a G.M. dealership mechanic for 30 years & counting.
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BC 1960 Chevy C10 driver 261 T5 4.10 dana 44 power loc 1949 GMC 250 project in waiting 1960 C60 pasture art Retired GM dealer tech. 1980 - 2022 | | | | | Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 238 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 238 | you need 3 100W 1 ohm resistors in parallel to shunt the ammeter on a chevy truck, I run this setup on my truck with a 68A alternator. Where can I get these resistors, I just went to Radio Shack and the greatest wattage resistor they had was 10watt. US Ebay link These should do the job, but I would use branded USA/Brit made resistors for choice though. | | | | | Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 257 | [quote=AZ59apacheguyWow, you are very animated about this. Is this something you have done to your truck because something happend to your ammeter?
No, not on my rig. I've been a G.M. dealership mechanic for 30 years & counting. I meant no offense, I was actually being serious. | | | | | Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 194 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Dec 2009 Posts: 194 | I got a 30 amp panel meter with shunt from Centennial Electronics, Inc 2324 E Bijou st Colorado spings, Co 80909 800 320 4666 719 633 4666 www.centennialelectronics.comThe # is AIM 6030A. The shunt for this meter would bypass enough current to protect your ampmeter. I think it cost me about $20. Install the shunt in parallel with the posts on your ammeterand it should work fine. I have a spare if you cannot get one from Centennial. | | | | | Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,458 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Sep 2011 Posts: 1,458 | I meant no offense, I was actually being serious. [/quote] ```````````````````````````````````` None taken. I saw you post w/ no reply at that point, too sleepy for good answer, just wanted to make the point. Many others have given you the info needed to keep from having a wiring malfunction, a.k.a. letting the smoke out.
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