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Mod | | Forums66 Topics126,776 Posts1,039,271 Members48,100 | Most Online2,175 Jul 21st, 2025 | | | Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 504 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 504 | I currently have a later model 250 and the original 3 on the tree in my 58 Burb. I am toying with the idea of upgrading to a T-5 trans out of an S-10.
The problem is I'm kind of attached to the nostalgic 3 on the tree. My wild a$$ question is this, "is it possible and how hard would it be to engineer the column and linkage to put 5 on the tree?" I think figuring out how to shift a 5 speed from the column would be the ultimate engineering coup.
Crazy, I know!!
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Larry
| | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,877 . | . Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,877 | Mercedes had a column shifted four speed which would have had 5 positions and presumably 3 shift rails (I don't know the details) that might be something to look at frist, might get you the column mounted stuff capable of 6 positions as a start.
One complication I see is the T5 is a top shifted transmission, not a side loader with different levers like most column shifted transmissions are/were. That makes it tricky to mix and match linkage when they're two completely different designs.
I vote for the floor shiftier, always seemed like a much better and simpler design to me.
Grigg | | | | Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 133 Shop Shark | Shop Shark Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 133 | i've seen a modified 5 on the tree, don't remember the tranny type. it was in an old '59 ford, the owner said it was a prototype from ford, and never in production b/c of "people" issues. said it worked, but understood why ford never went through with it. i'd go with the floor shifter.
daren | | | | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 7,440 Extreme Gabster | Extreme Gabster Joined: May 2001 Posts: 7,440 | I'd recommend an SM319 overdrive. It will bolt right in and use your existing shifter and driveshaft. | | | | Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 662 Shop Shark | Shop Shark Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 662 | I vote for the cool factor of the column shift. That would be impressive. I think you can get there from here with some serious noodling and fab skills.
Had a class in linkage synthesis a million years ago, but haven't used it since: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linkage_%28mechanical%29
Chuck
| | | | Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 936 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 936 | They exist. I had a mid 90's right drive Mitsubishi micro van with a 5OTT while I was living in New Zealand. I wouldn't want to give up my column shift either.  | | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,775 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,775 | Why not look for a BW overdrive unit? You can keep the 3OT and still have OD. | | | | Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 504 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 504 | Whitedog;
Your overdrive idea is interesting. What year/make/model vehicle would I be looking for to pick one from? What is the model name/number of the BW overdrive unit?
Thanks!
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Larry
| | | | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 7,440 Extreme Gabster | Extreme Gabster Joined: May 2001 Posts: 7,440 | The model name and number is SM319, as I posted above. They were an option on Chevy cars and trucks from the mid-'50s until ?. Info about them. | | | | Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 504 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 504 | Cletis;
Roger. Got it. I didn't pick up the reference the first time. I'll look into that.
Have you used on in the past? What was your impression?
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Larry
| | | | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 7,440 Extreme Gabster | Extreme Gabster Joined: May 2001 Posts: 7,440 | I have one in my 'burb. I am very happy with it. I can run 70 MPH all day long at just over 2000 RPM. | | | | Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 212 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2008 Posts: 212 | I found an overdrive from a 55 chevy car on craiglist in Maine. It was delivered by UPS last week .I am ready to install it in my 58 half ton and I will use the wiring diagram that was posted by Cletis. Looking forward to the lower rpm. | | | | Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,775 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 1,775 | Larry, Sorry for not replying sooner. I don't know what years to look for, but the Borg Warner overdrive was an add on kit for 3 speed tranmissions from the 30's to the 60's. It used an electric solenoid to actuate a set of planetaries for a gear reduction. I spotted a GM model at the scrap yard awhile back. You may have scrounge around some swapmeets to find one, but they are out there. Try this link: http://www.hydratech.com/pctc/Public_Documents/bwwiring.pdf | | | | Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: May 2006 Posts: 8,351 | An SM319 from a '55-'59 Truck or '55-'57 car are a direct bolt in. If you get one from a '55 Truck w/6 cylinder, the side plate will need to be swapped with either a later one, or one from a '55 V8 truck or any Passenger car version. Like Cletus, I have one in my '55, and easily run 75 mph @2200 rpm.
Bill Burmeister | | | | Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 504 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 504 | Gentlemen;
Thanks for the follow ups. I'll start searching around for one.
6571: How did you find one on CL in Maine? Send me a PM if you have the trick to searching Craig's List without having to go town by town.
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Larry
| | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,877 . | . Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,877 | ...if you have the trick to searching Craig's List without having to go town by town. http://www.adhuntr.com/ | | | | Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 504 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Feb 2012 Posts: 504 | Grigg;
You are the man! Thanks!!
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Larry
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