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#623775 02/26/2010 3:51 PM
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Are there any advice tips for using a hammer and dolly on small dents in fenders?

I need to do some work on my 48 rear fender.

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Harbor Freight kit is suitable for an amateur like me.

Just take your time and if you have something like a ford to practice on first it would be good.

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This Rear fender from my 1950 3/4-ton looked like a section out of a giant golf ball when I started on it Dennis. It is all hand hammered out without using fillers. There was a small tear at the running board attach point that was welded and a small amount of lead was used to fill a little down there but that was it. http://www.pbase.com/dennygraham/image/114605010/large
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I used a number of different tools to bring it back but a lot of the work was done using a slapper on the top side with it bucked on the back side with various dollies. A dent starts in the middle and the material is pulled into the center from the outside. When you bring the dent back out you want to start at the last point of damage and bring it in to the first part. In other words you don’t want to get behind the dent and hammer the center out first then try to smooth it. Start around the outer edges of the damage and bring it in to the center. You will usually have a little stretching at the point of impact and once you get close you can shrink that down using one of several methods. If you shrink it a little to much then a little hammer (or slapper) and dolly work will bring it back up to where it should be. This technique is demonstrated at several sites online and it helps to see the videos.
The Harbor Freight body tools are rather massive so if you decide to use them be careful. I would say that over hammering ranks up there amongst the most common mistakes that someone new to metal bumping makes. You will be surprised once you discover that most of your straightening only requires light tapping to bring it back up to where it belongs. When you get into the finish phase a slapper will spread the impact over a larger area than the hammer and it is much easer to get a smooth surface using one.
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Thanks Denny.

Do you have a picture of a 'slapper'

Is it a hammer or something else?


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Hi Dennis,

I have really enjoyed learning about metal working. Here are a few sources of information that helped me a lot. The book The Key to Metal Bumping by Frank Sargent gives a nice explanation on the theory behind proper metal repair. It is an older book first published in 1939 so very appropriate for our vehicles.

Brian Martin has written his basics of basics articles. They can be found at http://www.autobodystore.com/martinsr.shtml

And finally Ron Covell has some fantastic videos on the art and craft of metal working. His info can be found at http://www.covell.biz/ As Denny already pointed out (and I learned the hard way) sheet metal repair is more like gently and slowly coaxing the metal back to its original shape.

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Hi,

Thanks for the links.

I like you pictures. I need to do the same cowl repair as you did on your 55 first. Nice to see what someone else has done.

Thanks again


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On thing I would add to what Denny said is to use a block of wood (a piece of a 2x4 will work) as a dolly. It will absorb more of the impact from the hammer blows and in my experience reduce some of those oil can effects someone new to metal working can create. Just my .02.


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Sorry. I am not sure what oil can effects are


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Before everything had to be computer-driven and laser guided, oil cans had a semi-flat bottom that was slightly convex. To oil something, you turned it over, put the tip where you wanted the oil, and pressed on the bottom with your thumb, causing the bottom to go "doink" and squirt oil where you wanted it. When you released your thumb, the bottom would go "doink" back to shape.

Where the metal panel will pop in and out causing an oil can effect. It is caused by stretched metal from improper sheet metal work.

Usually cured by my friend the torch or heat wrench.

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Here are a few homemade slappers. The business end is 1/8 inch by 1-1/2 inch flat stock.

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Check out the body work videos on You Tube. There are a bunch and cover a wide range of repair. Check this one out. He uses a strange tool to bump the dents that seems to work great. Plus he uses a slapper.


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Wow. That is cool.

I thought all was needed was a dolly and body hammer.


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http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=sevtchevelle&search_type=&aq=f

Explains in much better depth thing that other video.

The tool used in the other video is a planishing hammer, it just speeds up the hammer and dolly process.

Here are some albums with some metal finishing pictures
http://rides.webshots.com/album/561495067ujxfgB

http://rides.webshots.com/album/562275521isVYbd

My slappers
[IMG]http://inlinethumb35.webshots.com/47074/2561176070102553149S500x500Q85.jpg[/IMG]

Just a small taste of my dollies and spoons
[IMG]http://inlinethumb45.webshots.com/45676/2084563860102553149S500x500Q85.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/44260/2443700040102553149S500x500Q85.jpg[/IMG]

my favorite dollies, can be bought from www.daggertools.com
[IMG]http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/47179/2592965590102553149S500x500Q85.jpg[/IMG]

The magic secret behind ultra smooth filler free repairs is the shrink disc.
Which is shown the video links above.
You can get them on ebay from a member named ewheel.

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Oil canning comes from the metal being in an unnatural state,can be caused by shrunk or stretched metal.

In the cases of dents it caused by stretched metal unless any prior repairs were made then thats up in the air.

The dent is held in place because the that area is somewhat stretched and now tension exists on the metal holding the dent in place. Excessive amounts of hammer ON dolly will stretch the metal out leaving you hump of extra metal.

So you already have some amounts of stretched metal on your fender.

This is where heat comes into play, heat SHRINKS metal. Shrinking with a torch is hard to do and also shrinks metal that doesn't need to be shrunk. A shrinking disc generates heat through friction and ONLY shrinks the high spots or stretched metal.

The key is to use a combination of hammer and dolly techniques that will both raise the dented metal up and limit stretching.

you have two techniques and you use both of them but during different times, you must learn to read the dent and learn to use each method.

The first is hammer OFF dolly method. Simply put the hammer and dolly are off center and do not hit directly thus reducing the risk of stretching metal. this technique is more of a rearranging method
[IMG]http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/34016/2557113570102553149S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG]

The other is Hammer ON dolly. the hammer and dolly hit in direct contact and thus stretch the metal out but because of this the metal expands and expands upward or raises up. This technique is used to pick up small areas of low spots, but use caution to avoid raising it too much.
[IMG]http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/41440/2800252890102553149S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG]

A very good good dent repair video, he actually teaches you something and speaks!!

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that is some good info, but I would have to be shown before I could get enough in my dfo brain to even try to do

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Every You-Tube video on body work might not fit your need, however there are hundreds there that will really help you learn the proper methods. I'm a visual learner and do better cooking a dish while watching a video than just reading a recipe.


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How do you guys feel about making a slapper out of an old file?

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Don't think it would be heavy enough unless it's a huge file.


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I've got some big old blacksmith ones from years ago. Every little village up here had a blacksmith shop for sailboat fittings, anchors, scallop dredges, etc..

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Is the slapper for making contact in a larger area? Do you use a longer dolly to compensate for this length of contact with the metal?



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Yes the slapper is used because of the larger surface area.
[IMG]http://inlinethumb12.webshots.com/38795/2245504680102553149S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://inlinethumb33.webshots.com/36640/2614690920102553149S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG]

A hammer because of the smaller surface area many times can cause damage simply because of size difference between hammer and dent.

Secondly, a hammer has a smaller "sweet spot" thus making it harder to hit the dolly directly.

A slapper because of the larger mass can move metal quicker and faster when needed. It can also finesse the metal because the larger area acts like a cushion sorta speak when doing real light taps.

For moving the metal quick and fast I have a slapper that weighs around 7lbs its a friggen monster. Not something you want to use all the time, it simply weighs to much, but there are times when its a must.
[IMG]http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/47126/2198529700102553149S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG]

Its from an old truck leaf spring and about 1/4 thick
[IMG]http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/28176/2322177000102553149S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG]


This one is made by Ron Covell but he no longer makes or sells them so you cant get them anymore. This one weighs alittle over 2lbs and my main slapper.
[IMG]http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/46299/2302620890102553149S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG]

With a tape measure
[IMG]http://inlinethumb37.webshots.com/45796/2473992230102553149S600x600Q85.jpg[/IMG]


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Yes you can make a slapper from an old file. It will just alittle more force to move the metal due to the smaller mass or weight.

No you do not use larger dollies when using a slapper.
You use a dolly that best matches the contour of the shape you are after or trying to restore.


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Thank you. This is a lot of information and I hope it helps others.


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I went to Harbour Freight over the weekend.

I bought a stud welder ($80) to pull the dents out of the cab and a 7 piece body kit. The kit has 4 dollys and 3 different hammers.

I figure if I go slow this kit may take out the bumps in the fender. It looks like a nice little kit for $20.


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You have the Art of Metal Bumping and a bodywork DVD in the mail. Good read - check it out before hammerin'.

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Thanks. I appreciate all of you help and advice.


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