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Mod | | Forums66 Topics126,777 Posts1,039,267 Members48,100 | Most Online2,175 Jul 21st, 2025 | | | Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 687 Shop Shark | Shop Shark Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 687 | As shown in my link the 41 (Betty Boop) is rocken and rollen down the road. In driving her I at first had a lot of engine clatter (ping or spark knock) i readjusted her ign. timing and reduced it greatly but still have ping. We are running super unlead fuel. And base timing is on the mark. My question is how much advance should this truck have. 1941 216 standard shift. Also is the ball on the flywheel TDC or an advance/ retard of TDC?
I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, you can't prove anything! "Bart Simpson" | | | | Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,262 Bubba - Curmudgeon | Bubba - Curmudgeon Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 29,262 | Usually the ball on the flywheel is the timing mark. UDC/TDC is usually indicated with a triangle.
| | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 17 New Guy | New Guy Joined: May 2005 Posts: 17 | disconnet vacume advance when setting timing. sometime even at idle, it will slightly advance, and thus you are off from the get go. Worth a try. Also, since you are already hanging over the fender, pull the cap and check for play in the shaft. | | | | Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 687 Shop Shark | Shop Shark Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 687 | Did not know about the triangle. Is the ball advanced or retarded of the triangle, if so do you know how much?
I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, you can't prove anything! "Bart Simpson" | | | | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 | I believe the ball represents 6 degrees advance. It would pop into the viewing port before any TDC triangle.
Stuart | | | | Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 687 Shop Shark | Shop Shark Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 687 | Cool, would anyone know what is the total advance is?
I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, you can't prove anything! "Bart Simpson" | | | | Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,708 | Toyvo, I couldn't find any dope on a '41 216 but enclosed is a link to data on a '46. This specs should be pretty similar. If your rig pings it obviously has to much initial advance...you already know that. Start slowly retarding it until it no longer makes noise when the engine is loaded up and working hard. If it makes no noise and doesn't show any additional engine heating then you have tuned it for maximum initial advance. Total advance will be dependent on this setting plus whatever your centrifugal advance adds. http://www.secondchancegarage.com/public/359.cfmStuart | | | | Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 687 Shop Shark | Shop Shark Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 687 | I keep forgetting that this vehicle was built 68 years ago. Specifications like total advance were not in the origional equasion. Hell they didn't even have a Sun distributor machine untill the early 60's. I guess I'll just have to monkey around with the timing untill I get best performance and no ping. I still don't understand the (octane) adjustment that is calibrated on the base of the distributor. I'll bet it was so you could run the engine and have a referance point to make fine adjustments to the timing as needed.
I didn't do it, no one saw me do it, you can't prove anything! "Bart Simpson" | | | | Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 784 'Bolter | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2000 Posts: 784 | Toyvo, you've got it exactly right. Thats what the octane adjustment is for. | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 28,674 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 28,674 | The conventional wisdom at the time I was learning the trade (mid-1950's) was that the ball and pointer was a starting point, and for best performance/minimum detonation the timing should be tweaked a degree or two at a time until minimum noise and best performance was reached. Use the clamp screw on the distributor housing to set the initial timing to the ball/pointer position with a strobe light, then use the slotted "octane adjustment" to tweak the final setting on a road test. Get on a steady uphill pull in top gear, and listen for a ping at or near full throttle. Advance the timing until it pings, then retard it just enough to make the ping go away. At heavy load conditions, the vacuum advance shouldn't be a consideration- - - -it only comes into effect under light-throttle cruise for fuel economy. As soon as the throttle is opened to pull or accelerate, the vacuum advance goes away. It should not be necessary to use premium gas unless there's something very wrong with the timing setting. That engine only has about a 7:1 compression ratio, and regular gas is good for 8.5:1 or better. Jerry
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