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#398756 04/07/2008 12:02 AM
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Having had my heart explode upon hearing licence plate fees ($1840), I'm re-examining vehicle Net and Gross weights. My 1967 Tilt cab shows a GVW of 16000lbs on the pillar tag. Problems begin with the previous registrations that, owing to incorrect translation from Imperial to Metric, show 9060kg (roughly 20000lbs) which places me squarely in the 'Commercial' bracket. (or, is that 'racket'?) I've showed the functionaries the actual GVW tag but now they demand to know the vehicle's Net Weight. And that I cannot find. The Tilt has a wheelbase of 140in. and I believe it to be a Model 40, or 50. (Can't determine that either). Even with such paucity of information, is anyone able to assist in this search for correct Net Weight? Given that gas now pumps for $1.269L ($5.76gal.), the added cost of rapacious insurance appears to see the truck as 'driveway decoration' rather than useful vehicle. Rates for an ordinary truck approximate $400. Can you see why my panicked search?
Laurence

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Is net weight not the same as gross vehicle weight (GVW)?
Both being the weight of truck with the max recommended load?

Net weight would(or could) also include any trailer you would be towing, and it's load.

Down here when I register a truck I can choose how much of the GVW I want to pay for, so if I only plan to weigh 7,000 lb loaded then that's what I "buy", although the truck will haul more than that I would pay a fine if I were caught doing it.
Can you just have it registered for the minimum, just over empty, and get by with that?
Or does registering it as an antique help with that as it does here?

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Grigg #398840 04/07/2008 2:51 AM
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Thanks, Grigg. GVW is indeed the maximum vehicle weight - truck and load combined. Net weight however is the vehicle only - sans load - including only fluids. Why the MVD requires such is known only to them.
I like your system of 'pay for the load'. Sadly, it's an 'all or nothin' at all' approach up here. As for antique plates, well, they are so restrictive as to be useless. And nothing pleases the Mounties more than tagging such an easy catch as a lumbering Big Bolt.
My last resort is to drive 40 miles and purchase a day tag ($45), then driving to the nearest weigh scale (120 miles), and playing hop-scotch with the operator. Did I mention gas prices? And adding insult to injury, this Province is going to slap on another 10 cents a gallon as of July. Carbon Tax don't you know. We'll be hitting the six-dollar mark by summer, I'm certain. Thanks, Al Gore and David Suzuki. (The latter is our Pinhead.)
Anyway, I shall continue to search for the Net weight, but I do find precious little information on this particular configuration.

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Hy Grigg, net weight is what the truck weighs as it left the factory, no fluids, no driver, just the truck, hope that helps.

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OK, so net weight is empty or "tare" weight of the truck, thanks guys.

Have you asked how you are to get this weight if they won't let you drive the truck, or is that to logical?

Do you know anyone with portable scales?

Any sort of business close by who weighs trucks, garbage dump, sawmill, quarry, and so on?

A crane service who could pick up the truck and weigh it with the computer on the crane?

There has to be a way to get it weighed without spending hundreds of $$.

A house mover with a hydraulic power pack and jacks that he can then calculate load by reading pressure?

A long I-beam, used as a lever with a known weight on the long end, with some calculations you have a crude scale, don't forget the weight of the beam. You could lift one wheel at a time and add the results...

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1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
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With my work trucks I can license them anywhere between what the net weight of the vehicle is and the maximum gvw that is listed on the door tag. According to the DOT it is illegal to license the truck for anything over what the truck is built to be. I've asked the question about adding gvw capabilities to a truck and was told that if the gvw is changed an appropriate addendum tag needs to be added to the door of the truck. I was looking at my 2006 Sterling yesterday and the company that installed the van body on it even added a tag to the door jam, altho the gvw didn't change.
I would think that you could find the weight in a salemans guide or another dealer publication, then contact a body builder with the type of body/bed you have on your rig and get a number thats close enough to get registered.

Good Luck
Don


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