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Still trying to figure out some crafty way to get 22.5" wheels on my 1951 4400.

What about changing hubs? If there is a popular truck front hub with a spindle the same size as mine, with the bearings in about the right places, and about the right length, how about swapping to those hubs? I'm assuming that a truck hub will have truck brakes, so that shouldn't be a problem.

For the rear axle, surely the axle manufacturer made axles for more than a few years, and for more than a few brands of trucks. The bolt pattern on the flange might be different, and the axle splines, but it would seem possible that, even though this wouldn't be cheap, it would be better than nothing, and would have some advantages.

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195? Chevy 3800 dump truck
1973 Chevy C30 cab and chassis
1987 Suburban 3/4 ton 6.2L Diesel
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So, if that's your plan you want to switch to 6, 8, or 10 lug stud-piloted Budd wheels. Or modern 8 or 10 lug hub-piloted Budd wheels.

In theory your idea could work, would probably require actually pulling apart different hubs and measuring. Also have to think about getting the backing plates to fit the old axles, and machining spacers and bushings if needed or the bearings.

After all that you still have original axles, not that there is anything wrong with them, you would have new brakes, but they are nothings special either, and slow gears.

A more logical approach is to find the 22.5 wheels from a 56-59? Chevy 1.5 ton, but even those would need bushings to adapt to your hubs, as your old wheels are hub piloted on 4.75" diameter, and the newer wheels are 5.25".

If you really want to switch a bolt pattern with easily available 22.5 rims then I think the logical choice is find entirely new axles. One way is to drop down to the 8 lug P30 axes (and narrow the front one) then use the semi truck wheel adapters, at well over $1000 a set.
A perhaps better, or stronger way is small Rockwell/Meritor axles like from a Chevy TopKick or small Freightliner, these can be had with hydraulic disc brakes. about a 12,000lb rating for the rear. Front and possibly rear would need to be narrowed, and I don't think it would be easy to get the front narrowed enough to even fit.
Here is a picture of these axles I swapped under a 61 f350 to get faster gears, disc brakes, and 22.5" wheels.
[IMG]http://thumb9.webshots.net/t/57/757/6/38/53/2946638530080251109etTGQM_th.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://thumb9.webshots.net/t/57/657/7/11/35/2287711350080251109kBIUJt_th.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://thumb9.webshots.net/t/60/460/3/1/96/2382301960080251109ukWuYX_th.jpg[/IMG]

If I were you I would be looking for the 56-59? 22.5 wheels, and make the adapter bushings, as any other choice is many times the money.

Grigg


1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
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Here is a link where you can see the elusive small 10 lug 22.5" wheels in their natural habitat.
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/car/555440114.html
I suppose the link won't be any good after the add expires..

Grigg


1951 GMC 250 in the Project Journals
1948 Chevrolet 6400 - Detroit Diesel 4-53T - Roadranger 10 speed overdrive - 4 wheel disc brakes
1952 Chevrolet 3800 pickup
---All pictures---
"First, get a clear notion of what you desire to accomplish, and then in all probability you will succeed in doing it..." -Henry Maudslay-
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You're right, as usual. I just hate waiting and searching, and waiting. I really want to get the 4400 going, but the wheels and tires are so bad that I hesitate to even push it around.


195? Chevy 3800 dump truck
1973 Chevy C30 cab and chassis
1987 Suburban 3/4 ton 6.2L Diesel

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