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#27623 05/22/2003 10:44 PM | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 | When I got the rebuilt 261 on the engine stand, I noticed 2 out of the 18 head bolts were left out! The two shorter recessed ones under the valve cover next to the longer ones were missed. They are #5 and 6 in the tightening sequence. He had 36 bolts from two heads so when he returned all the bolts, the "surplus" two were with them. The engine guy knows about it and was pretty darn solemn in the face. His worker torqued the bolts.
My inclination is to just add the two bolts and torque them to spec. But missing the two bolts tells me they were torqued in a sequence from memory, bad memory maybe. What do you think? 1948 3/4-Ton 5-Window Flatbed Chevrolet 34 Years. Now with a '61 261, 848 head, Rochester Monojet carb, SM420 4-speed, 4.10 rear, dual reservoir MC, Bendix up front, 235/85R16 tires, 12-volt w/alternator, electric wipers and a modern radio in the glove box.
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#27624 05/22/2003 11:33 PM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | I don't want to worry you but no competent rational person could possibly make that mistake. I guess he has a helper that should be concentrating on sweeping the floor. I would be re-doing the head with a new gasket, but if there is warranty involved, I would not do that myself.
When I took my 216 apart, I discovered that somebody put it together wihout torquing the two back rear main bolts. They must have been distracted! | | |
#27625 05/23/2003 12:23 AM | Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 384 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: Mar 2001 Posts: 384 | Wally-- Too bad. If it were me I wouldn't want to trust that head gasket--potential for water leaks and blow by. MM gives good advice--makes you suspicious of everything else. If I paid, I wud expect a new gasket set and wud either do it myself or be there when they did it. I'd want to chek everything they'd done too. 
Buzz'n Half Dozen
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#27626 05/23/2003 12:25 AM | Joined: May 2000 Posts: 234 Shop Shark | | Shop Shark Joined: May 2000 Posts: 234 | Once you've done one straight six, the sequence *is* usually done from memory. Start from the middle, work outward in a circular pattern.
Can't see how you'd miss two bolts if you were paying attention though...
-Boyo
'48 Willys CJ-2A / '55.1 Chevy 3600 / '66 Austin-Healey 3000 / '04 Volvo wagon (parenthood!?)
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#27627 05/23/2003 7:23 PM | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 | He's coming over on Tuesday to replace the gasket with another Fel-Pro blue and retorque all the bolts. Thanks! 1948 3/4-Ton 5-Window Flatbed Chevrolet 34 Years. Now with a '61 261, 848 head, Rochester Monojet carb, SM420 4-speed, 4.10 rear, dual reservoir MC, Bendix up front, 235/85R16 tires, 12-volt w/alternator, electric wipers and a modern radio in the glove box.
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#27628 05/23/2003 7:37 PM | Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,897 Member | | Member Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 1,897 |
There is enough good in the worst of us and enough bad in the best of us that it does not behoove any of us to criticize the rest of us. - - Be yourself. If you are ever lost, It will be much easier to find yourself if you know who you are!
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#27629 05/23/2003 9:51 PM | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 | I'll just have to rely on the 12 month, 12,000 mile warranty now.
I think the rest will be OK. They've got a good reputation (so far) with several people I've talked to, including a couple stovebolters. They do a large volume of work with mechanics in the region. Time will tell. 1948 3/4-Ton 5-Window Flatbed Chevrolet 34 Years. Now with a '61 261, 848 head, Rochester Monojet carb, SM420 4-speed, 4.10 rear, dual reservoir MC, Bendix up front, 235/85R16 tires, 12-volt w/alternator, electric wipers and a modern radio in the glove box.
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#27630 05/23/2003 11:11 PM | Joined: Feb 2000 Posts: 95 Wrench Fetcher | | Wrench Fetcher Joined: Feb 2000 Posts: 95 | Wally: I agree with Mech, and the others, about other concerns. What else has been overlooked, not properly fitted and/or checked, not torqued, missing or misplaced? Kinda makes you suspect and worry about everything else. The critical areas in these L6 engines are rod fit and torque, and the fit of the mains and torque settings. Then all the other stuff like valve assembly, flywheel torque and cam drive come to mind. I mean if you start to be concerned about it, your mind can run wild with thoughts of all the possible screw-ups that may be possible. You stated that you will have a warranty for 12 months. Thats good if they will stand behind it. I would at the very least have them replace the head gasket and "missing bolts", with new. I would also stress that you have them state on the sales receipt that this "corrective step" was taken after you took possession of the "complete rebuild", and that the "corrective repair" was performed by shop personnel and not yourself. You have to cover your [censored] on these kind of deals. If they will stand behind there work, Great!. If they on the other hand do not, then you will have documented the problems and handled them respondsibly and legally the best you can. One thing for sure, pictures, notes, or having them write on the bills the additional problems or corrections is the best coverage you have. Worst case- if they overlooked something maybe, downstairs like rods or mains, it will not take too long for problems to become apparent, or for the bottom end to grenade. Any reputable shop that wants to keep in business will stand by the service that they provide. As the word goes here on the board, "buyer beware", so keep that warranty paper handy. Best of Luck, and keep thinking Chevy!! 
Houston? , We have a problem!
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#27631 05/24/2003 12:42 AM | Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,115 | Wally, you are doing the right thing and so is he. I wouldn't be rubbing his nose in it. They couldn't very likely do something wrong that would show up in 12001 miles. I think that you will be just fine. | | |
#27632 05/24/2003 12:47 AM | Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,745 Member | | Member Joined: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,745 | I also think you will be fine. But, I would write it on the sales receipt. I would also mention to the owner/manager that if something happens to the engine that the first thing you will check is the torque on the affected bolts. Let's see how confident he is.
54 3100 with 235 62 flatbed dump C60 with 261
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#27633 05/24/2003 1:43 AM | Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 499 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Apr 2000 Posts: 499 | My engine. I wouldn't wait till Tue. I'd follow the sequence and back them down, NOW. Half way at a time. One of the reasons for a sequence is so that nothing warps. If you want, call him and tell him what you are doing and to bring a straight edge.
Anyone could argue that without any heat, the head probably wouldn't warp. I would argue that the gasket would still be good for the same reason.
'67 GMC 3/4 292 4spd
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#27634 05/29/2003 12:46 AM | Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2001 Posts: 1,907 | The engine fellow made a house call and installed a new head gasket. I watched him torque to 60 ft-lb in the right sequence and then bring it up to 95 ft-lb in the same sequence. I think things will be OK. Thanks for all the help! 1948 3/4-Ton 5-Window Flatbed Chevrolet 34 Years. Now with a '61 261, 848 head, Rochester Monojet carb, SM420 4-speed, 4.10 rear, dual reservoir MC, Bendix up front, 235/85R16 tires, 12-volt w/alternator, electric wipers and a modern radio in the glove box.
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