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64K10,

Finally got a chance to look at my front differential. It has 44-5F on it. As I said, the transmission is reverse left and down. My Shop Manual says the original front axle was a Spicer 44-5F. In an earlier post you said the front axle should be a Dana 44-5F. I'm confused! Dana or Spicer? Or are they the same? Anyway, what locking hub will work?

'64,

Dana is the parent corporation name.
In 1904, an engineering student named Clarence Spicer left Cornell University to launch a new business in the vacant corner of a New Jersey factory.

While still a student, Spicer had earned a patent for his groundbreaking design of the first practical universal joint to power an automobile. Spicer’s innovation would quite literally unchained the automobile, which had previously relied on chain-and-sprocket drives to transmit power. But at its outset, his new venture was a decidedly bold step.

A talented engineer and inventor, Spicer had neither business nor manufacturing experience. And although the automobile was destined to become a global institution, its future was still far from certain at the turn of the 20th century.

It was from these uncertain beginnings that the Dana Corporation emerged as one of the world’s most influential automotive suppliers. Founded on Spicer’s designs, and fueled by the business acumen of attorney, politician, and financier Charles Dana, the company proceeded to expand its product array, technological expertise, and geographic scope throughout the century. Along the way, Dana Corporation also fostered a progressive, people-oriented culture that has added a unique dimension to the products and services the company provides.

Building on these strengths, Dana products have helped to drive history’s greatest vehicles – from the Model T and the World War II-era Jeep®, to London taxicabs, 18-wheel rigs, giant earth-moving machines, and every car on the NASCAR® racing circuit. (Refer to Dana.com)

As far as "new" hubs the only ones I've seen for
the 6 lug - 1/2T axles is Mile Maker. Warn, Dualmatic, and Selectro where available back when the trucks were new. I would think that back there on a ranch someplace there just might be an axle (or truck) just waiting for a new home.

If its a 6 lug 1/2 ton closed knuckle it would be an original Dana 44-5F. The only hubs I have found are made by selectro and they are very expensive. $300.00+or-. I bought a whole parts truck to get original hubs for my 65.

Buffalo I have a set, not sure on the brand but they have knurled knob to disengauge .I can send you a picture.Let me know.

These are listed for the '64 Chevy pickup, Suburban will be the same. http://store.summitracing.com/egnsearch.asp?N=700+400059+4294908216+4294847748+115+4294924454

The 1/2 ton hubs are internal mount, secured by a spiral snap ring. late model Dana 44 hubs will not fit, but your bearing hub could be machined to allow them to be used. It is a lot of machining though. No one makes the original hubs anymore. The Warn model was M-8, which was stamped on the brass portion of the hub, Some Warns did not have the stamp. Best bet is to look for some on the net, I found a set at an internet junkyard (nos spicer) for about 250, sorry I don't remember where. The ones on the summit site will not fit, It took me 1 month and a lot of emails to milemarker and warn. I got replys and figured out that no one makes them anymore. Email Jim Carter resto parts, he gave me the address of someone who had some. The only hubs that are listed to fit are the bolt on 3/4 ton models, they look like they will fit an early jeep or scout. They will not fit an original 44-5f dana front end in a 64, trust me, if it bolts on, they will not fit.

OK, now I am really cornfused. First let me say that the hubs that are on my '64 K10 Suburban are Warn hubs and have no external bolts. I looked at the MMK-423 hub at Summit that LONGBOX55 recommended, and they have 6 external bolts. So, I don't think they will work. Milemarker has the Selectro model #11001-01, that they list as for a 60-68 1/2 ton pickup. These hubs have internal bolts. I was told that the chassis parts on a 1/2 ton pickup and 1/2 ton Suburban were the same.

Fireballv8, have you tried the Selectro #11001-01?

sub65- do you know about brake parts? Will drums, brake shoes, wheel cylinders that fit a 1/2 ton pickup work on a 1/2 'Burb?

I had it narrowed down to the 11001 hubs or find a used hub, I found a used one. I saw a 60-66 Burb (chevy), a 64 K10 Chevy and my 64 GMC k10 that had the same hubs on them (spicer made them too) so I am pretty sure that the chevy/GMC 1/2 tons had the same hubs. See if you can return those if you buy them, just in case, if you end up buying them and they work, please put up a post about it. I know a bunch of others, including myself would like to know for sure.
I bought a set of 70s dana 44 hubs and that is how I figured out that they don't fit, and that they could be made to fit, but I want to keep my truck original as possible.

Being a relative new kid on the block, I was hoping to find someone at Stovebolt that knew for sure what NEW hubs would work on my '64 'Burb. I don't care if the hubs are original, as long as they work. The hubs that are on the truck work, but they have been scratched up to the point that you can't read what is written on them. I don't want to take the old hubs off, and possibly have them damaged to the point that they won't work, until I have a set of replacement hubs that will work.

Removing them won't damage them, I have pulled hundreds-you can even drive w/o them, the wheels won't fall off. Stuff a rag in the hole to keep out dirt. If the wording is all that is wrong, just clean them up w/sandpaper & re-letter using an electric engraving pen-then paint on some paint into the letters & wipe lightly w/a rag to leave paint in the letters. On something that old I would pull one & match it to what the parts guy has-thats the only way to be sure. Brian

'64 Buffalo,
The 11001-01 selectro are the ones. They are internal but will have a knob that goes on and sticks out about 2 inches. The 4x4 brake parts are interchangable between suburban and pick up truck. The 1/2 ton models are 2"x11" drums front and rear. Most part stores don't list the suburbans. My local independent parts store has always been able to get the brake parts.The parking brake cables I got from inline tube in Michigan. Had to send them the old ones to copy.