Anyone have knowledge about their cams from back in the day for 235's? May have access to a few, and even for doing a regrind probably a better billet than current sticks. Better yet, anyone have a catalog to cross reference some numbers?
No first hand knowledge of that company, but a good core can be sent to Schneider cams in San Diego for a wide variety of profiles. I've even discussed the possibility of putting a roller lobe on a stovebolt cam. They say they would need a steel, not a cast core to do that. 216s and early 235s had steel cams, but a sleeve would need to be fitted to the bearing journals to enlarge them to fit a 235 engine. Jerry
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They have been out of business for a good many years now. The thing is, not all of their cams were their cams, lol. Some of the cams they sold were actually another cam company cams reboxed. They had very good V8 cams. 235 cams, I never knew they even had an offering. So I am wondering whether the 235 cams you have were actually ground by someone else.
Got ahold of the catalog and got some better info. See if I can attach photos. So one is the 230 and the other is the 284. I also found a price guide with the old catalog and pretty sure these date to about 1972 or 1973.
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The red line cams were the reboxed cams. It is a somewhat sorted affair. I will bet that cam has cmc cast into it in addition to the made in USA. CMC is camshaft machine company and they ground cams for a lot of “cam companies” many of which did not even own a camshaft grinder. Those cams may be reboxed Wolverine cams. CMC bought a couple of cam companies, Wolverine included, and at some point I understand Crane bought CMC, and then federal mogul bought cmc and from there I do not know, only that cmc is still in business.
Any thoughts on how either would be for improving on stock for mild street application w/T5? The only real comparison I have is the bulldog grind and not sure how either would compare.
The 230 cam, but truth be told, it’s pretty darn mild. The other one is really a little oval track cam, not a lot of lift but a lot of duration. I don’t think you will be happy with either which may be why they never got sold. Rocco and Cheaters have been selling some general kinetics 292 cams recently. Have the same color tag as yours. What I think your best bet here, have one or both reground. Call Schneider, tell him how heavy the car, what trans, what gears, what mods to the motor if any, and let Jerry Cantrell make you a recommendation. Then send the cam out to him and get a grind put on that cam that is done for your motor.
Yes, that was my thought as well. Haven't torn the engine down yet, it supposedly has about 56K on it and was pulled from the 56 pickup for a SBC. Not sure on status of original cam, and honestly don't know what the requirements are to make it an option to be reground. I thought one of these cams would be a good starting point for a regrind compared to what is available these days. Considered pulling the valve cover and see what it looks like, if not bad might try and see if the little beast will run. It's all free and been stored inside.
As long as the journals are not completely worn out, and they generally are not, the cam can be reground. But there is the thing. If those cams are new never used, those are the cores I would use, hands down. Regrind the best cores you have.
Right now, new 235/261 cores are difficult if not impossible to find. Those cams are good American metallurgy and would be a superior core to use.
Those 216 engines that people are sending to scrap by the truckload have very good forged steel camshafts in all of them. Ditto for the spray-oiler 235s. The bearing journals are smaller than the 235/261 cams, but steel sleeves can be machined and pressed over the journals to take up the difference in diameter. Snyder says they can grind a roller lifter profile on a steel cam core, and mechanical roller lifters for a big block MOPAR engine can be fitted to a stovebolt by pressing thinwall sleeves into the lifter bores. It's also possible to fit Torrington roller bearings to stovebolt rocker arms. Jerry
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I don’t think so. The c4m230r is 235 chevy, same for the c4m284, at least that is what the catalog says.
Besides, I just found the Rocco and Cheaters post on the cams, they were offering them at 200 each and after looking at them closely, they 100% have to be reground to use. They have been sitting a long time and with the cost of machine work and parts these days, you could not really chance just stuffing one in a motor as is. A recipe for disaster. Take a used cam and send it out for a regrind and save yourself $200.
