The Stovebolt.com Forums Home | Tech Tips | Gallery | FAQ | Events | Features | Search
9 - 11 Memorials

Searching the Site - a click away
click here to search
New here ??? Where to start?
Click on image for the lowdown. Where do I go around here?
====
Who's Online Now
5 members (DannyW, treegrower, baldeagle, Gdads51, 3B), 75 guests, and 6 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums66
Topics128,014
Posts1,055,328
Members48,419
Most Online14,466
Apr 26th, 2026
Step-by-step instructions for pictures in the forums
Brad Allen's photos

AD Chevy Trucks

Pictures galore
Over 6,000 pictures

Brad Allen has an awesome collection of Chevrolet factory pictures that he has set up from film strips.

Check them out!

Lots of work on Brad's part ... pure enjoyment (and references) for you!

Big Thanks!

THANKS!

For helping keep this great
old truck web site
on the Internet for

over 30 years!

and not clogged down
with Ads!


Again, thanks!

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#1558159 09/17/2024 3:50 PM
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 34
P
'Bolter
'Bolter
P Offline
Joined: Mar 2012
Posts: 34
I have a twelve volt system in my 1955 2nd series. My head lights are halogen and don't work for a darn. I'm hoping someone can tell me about a LED light that might work without costing an arm and a leg. Thanks

Pete O #1558161 09/17/2024 4:07 PM
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 2,187
Insomniac
Insomniac
Joined: Jul 2000
Posts: 2,187
This thread may be helpful to you....Headlight conversion


Gord 🇨🇦
----
1954 1/2 ton 235 4 speed
Pete O #1558171 09/17/2024 5:54 PM
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 213
C
'Bolter
'Bolter
C Offline
Joined: Jul 2021
Posts: 213
Part of headlight upgrade is what gauge wire you currently have.
Original older 6 volt vehicles were larger gauge, which should be fine. Later 12V vehicles reduced the gauge. If the harness has been replaced, it's probably 16-18 gauge, so a bit small for bright headlights.
I really don't like the LEDs with sometimes they are obnoxiously bright and wrong, with most LED bulbs that go into H4 housings don't focus the light properly. They just shoot light all over the place. That makes them bright but obnoxious to everone else.
I've run Hella H4 housings and Sylvania Silverstar bulbs in all my vehicles for years. The good Hellas are about the same cost as those futuristic looking LEDs(which personaly don't fit the older truck look). Hellas look stock, and are european DOT designed, not Chinese knockoffs. If you have small gauge wire, a high current relay setup is recommended. I put that in my '91 GMC, to boost current using 12 gauge from the battery. That factory is 18-20 gauge, so not much current flow.
Both of my dads '58s have very dim headlights, and I've been trying to do the relays and Hella on them, but he wants the total stock look, including dim lights until the RPMs get high enough.

Last edited by Chip O; 09/17/2024 5:54 PM.

Chip

'Rusto-Mod'
'51 Chevy 3600 5 window | C4 Corvette front/rear suspension & drivetrain | everything else looks old and stock
'92 GMC Sonoma GT #15 of 806
'91 GMC Sonoma GT Extended cab 1 of 1
Trucks, Trucks.....and more Trucks
Pete O #1558200 09/17/2024 10:14 PM
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,242
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,242
I put a set of these in my 58 and they are nice and bright to see by, but not blinding to other vehicles (assuming they are aimed correctly).

Amazon Headlights


From the Rocky Mountains?
Check in with the RM Bolters!
HiPo Forum Moderator

1958 Task Force Truck
"Frank" gets a new lease on life
Follow in the DITY Gallery
1959 3200 Task Force
The Ballad of Enkidu
The Saga in the DITY Gallery ~ and the story continues
Pete O #1558207 09/17/2024 11:40 PM
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 6,687
O
'Bolter
'Bolter
O Offline
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 6,687
I think you are barking up the wrong tree switching to LEDs.

Ol' Roy is 6 volt, and uses Phillips halogen sealed beam headlights and they are more than adequate for 50mph+ night time driving.

I believe your problem is not with the bulbs but that your headlights are improperly aimed.

Aim your headlights and test them at night before switching.
Attachments
IMG_20221026_215613.jpg (56.18 KB, 275 downloads)
IMG_20221026_215633.jpg (147.75 KB, 274 downloads)


1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)

1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
Pete O #1558208 09/17/2024 11:45 PM
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 6,687
O
'Bolter
'Bolter
O Offline
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 6,687
PS; Make sure your wiring is up to the task. I replaced all the wiring from the lamps to the dimmer switch with 12ga wire and good connectors.

If your wiring is original, it may be worn out, corroded, or whatever.

Last edited by Otto Skorzeny; 09/17/2024 11:47 PM.

1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)

1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
Pete O #1558217 09/18/2024 1:25 AM
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,270
5
Renaissance Man
Renaissance Man
5 Offline
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 10,270
Make sure that you have a good ground for the headlights. Not sure about Task Force trucks, but I suspect that they are grounded to inner fender sheet metal. That's a lousy way to ground headlights over a long period of time, but it does work as long as the fender isn't corroded where the ring terminal gets screwed to it.


1952 5-window - return to "as built" condition | 1950 3100 with a 235 and a T-5 transmission
Pete O #1558222 09/18/2024 2:18 AM
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,242
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,242
The TF trucks do ground to the inner fenders. I ran ground wires to my junction block at the firewall.

I would recommend doing something like that if you are updating your wiring.


From the Rocky Mountains?
Check in with the RM Bolters!
HiPo Forum Moderator

1958 Task Force Truck
"Frank" gets a new lease on life
Follow in the DITY Gallery
1959 3200 Task Force
The Ballad of Enkidu
The Saga in the DITY Gallery ~ and the story continues
Pete O #1558332 09/19/2024 4:39 PM
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 29,746
H
Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer)
Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer)
H Offline
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 29,746
The biggest source of voltage drop in a headlight system is the dimmer switch. It carries the full current draw of the bulbs and it lives in a very hostile environment- - - -under the floorboard. Run some heavy wiring from the battery cable at the starter to the radiator support and use two Bosch type relays to carry the headlight current. Then use the dimmer switch to turn the relays on and off. Be sure to run a heavy ground wire from the core support to the engine block to complete the circuit.
Jerry


"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln
Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway
Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
Pete O #1558685 09/23/2024 5:14 PM
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 4,476
J
Moderator, Electrical Bay
Moderator, Electrical Bay
J Offline
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 4,476
Just what Jerry said. Relays are your friend with this old (and very challenged) switch design. Good luck.


~ Jon
1952 1/2 ton with 1959 235 | T5 with 3.07 rear end
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 313
K
'Bolter
'Bolter
K Offline
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 313
Originally Posted by Otto Skorzeny
PS; Make sure your wiring is up to the task. I replaced all the wiring from the lamps to the dimmer switch with 12ga wire and good connectors.

If your wiring is original, it may be worn out, corroded, or whatever.
Good morning Otto!

I have been following this post and have been thinking about your tip on replacing the wiring from dimmer switch to headlights. I was wondering if you replaced the pigtails also when you did this. So, some time back I had posted about my headlights being dim and I replaced the dimmer switch and it seemed to help some but not enough. I run them on bright but when meeting another vehicle, their headlights will wash mine out.

My truck has been completely restored but I believe the previous owner replaced the wiring harness with one for 12V, which is lighter gauge wire. I am looking at running 12G wire as you did.

Thanks!

Kevin

Last edited by kthomas; 11/03/2024 1:41 PM.

1953 3100 with 1957 235, T5 and 12 bolt 373 rear
Pete O #1562409 11/03/2024 3:54 PM
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,242
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,242
I can't speak to what Otto did, but I replaced all the pigtails on my truck when I rewired it and I strongly recommend doing so.


From the Rocky Mountains?
Check in with the RM Bolters!
HiPo Forum Moderator

1958 Task Force Truck
"Frank" gets a new lease on life
Follow in the DITY Gallery
1959 3200 Task Force
The Ballad of Enkidu
The Saga in the DITY Gallery ~ and the story continues
Pete O #1562416 11/03/2024 6:02 PM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,306
K
'Bolter
'Bolter
K Offline
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 2,306
If you can’t find heavy gauge replacements ,the origional sockets do come apart and the conectors can be reused they are quite heavy duty to solder them back on with heavy gauge wire.


1954 Canadian GMC 9300
"The Journey"
Follow in the DITY
Pete O #1562440 11/03/2024 11:43 PM
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 6,687
O
'Bolter
'Bolter
O Offline
Joined: Oct 2021
Posts: 6,687
I did replace the pigtails. I just ordered ready-made ones with the sockets attached.

I also installed a new junction block on the inner fender as it was when new. All that mess with the black tape and dime store connectors was what I replaced. Previous owner had done a less than stellar re-wiring job.

I also initially replaced the dimmer switch as you did but it didn't help. As it turns out, the original dimmer switch was probably perfectly fine. I discovered that the previous owner - who had dyslexia - mixed up the hot wire and the high beam wire on the dimmer switch. When I turned on the headlights they only worked on high beam. Whn I pressed the button to go to low beam, they went off completely.

When you complete your headlight repair, I strongly recommend buying Sylvania sealed beam halogen lamps (if they're available). I have Phillips lamps on the truck and they are excellent. I have have Sylvania lamps on my Cadillac and I believe them to be superior.

It's also important to make sure that your headlamps are aimed properly. You'll know right away when you drive at night if they need adjusting.
Attachments
IMG_20221002_180653.jpg (108.09 KB, 72 downloads)


1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)

1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
Otto Skorzeny #1562452 11/04/2024 12:55 AM
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 313
K
'Bolter
'Bolter
K Offline
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 313
Originally Posted by Otto Skorzeny
I did replace the pigtails. I just ordered ready-made ones with the sockets attached.

I also installed a new junction block on the inner fender as it was when new. All that mess with the black tape and dime store connectors was what I replaced. Previous owner had done a less than stellar re-wiring job.

I also initially replaced the dimmer switch as you did but it didn't help. As it turns out, the original dimmer switch was probably perfectly fine. I discovered that the previous owner - who had dyslexia - mixed up the hot wire and the high beam wire on the dimmer switch. When I turned on the headlights they only worked on high beam. Whn I pressed the button to go to low beam, they went off completely.

When you complete your headlight repair, I strongly recommend buying Sylvania sealed beam halogen lamps (if they're available). I have Phillips lamps on the truck and they are excellent. I have have Sylvania lamps on my Cadillac and I believe them to be superior.

It's also important to make sure that your headlamps are aimed properly. You'll know right away when you drive at night if they need adjusting.
Thanks for the response Otto,

Everything on my truck was replaced new, along with new junction blocks but as mentioned, I believe the PO used a 12V wiring harness so, I will be running 12G wire soon. And I remember you stressing the importance of properly adjusted headlights.

Once I have replace the light gauge wire, I will definitely be checking the adjustment!

Kevin


1953 3100 with 1957 235, T5 and 12 bolt 373 rear
Pete O #1563523 11/18/2024 8:18 PM
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 443
T
'Bolter
'Bolter
T Offline
Joined: May 2023
Posts: 443
When I rewired my 54 3100 I couldn't get the headlights working.. so I put in dedicated ground blocks and grounded the headlights and running/turn signal lights to them.. everything worked fine then.

If in doubt ground and ground some more.. I heard that here a couple time when I posted my problem and seems to be a universal truth in these old rust buckets.

Doug.


1954 Chevy 3100
One problem solved doesn’t seem to shorten the list
Montgomery, AL
In Project Journals

Moderated by  Jon G, Rusty Rod 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Home | FAQ | Gallery | Tech Tips | Events | Features | Search | Hoo-Ya Shop
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 8.0.0