Here`s where I am lost. I guess my first question is ...I`ll have to use bondo anyway? The panels are for a 1960-66 fleetside and they are long and short. I think I have it figured right to run both rear sides long as the cutoff leftover I can use for the front patch to the cab...or should I run long forward and have that one piece(wheel well to cab) and patch the rear panel? Should I start at the wheel well and work from there or from the cab down ? If I have to use bondo, what about panel adhesives? Instead of welding? Maybe someone out there has done this.
My worry is the thin outer skin ,already old and thinned. With the thicker new metal panels. That the old outer metal will just not hold a weld. I`ll be cutting the old fender wells soon. To eliminate welding , Im thinking SS rivets and panel adhesive. Bondo at the lap. I would be very open to hearing someone else's solution.
I would think run the long panel in front to have one piece from the wheel well to the door opening.
I suspect that the old metal is not that thin unless your panels do not go far enough to get away from the rusted/thinned metal. Welding is going to be a better approach in my opinion. I know lap joints are not desireable but if you offset the new panels at the top to slide behind the cut off old you have double the metal thickness at the overlap/joint. It would be best if you can access the back side to apply seam sealer over the lap to prevent moisture from invading the joint.
Read MPandC (Robert's) treatise on welding sheet metal HERE. He covers the art pretty well, including how to avoid warping. Good stuff!
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truck Follow this saga in Project Journal Photos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.
Very nice, Thank you. The hammer and dolly will not work here. I guess maybe some don`t know how these panels are set up. It has 2 walls. Outer thin , inner thick and rigid. Any flattening or planning cannot happen. So I won`t get the weld flat? IDK. I just started a couple months ago learning to weld. If I dont do it ,it won`t get done. Do you think without being able to dolly that the welds will be flat? or stretched?
If you overlap can you put holes in the outer and plug weld the panels together? I bleive based on your description the panels skins are not structural so welds would not need to be too close together which should minimize the potential for warping.
Thanks, but if it does warp, there is no remedy. Brady at HH did mention putting in a fold for that purpose and plug welding. But he agreed that once the process started there is no turning back, so I want to be careful. they put me in touch with the owners Uncle who probably has forgotten more than most know. I`ll meet with him at 1. I`ll report back.
A weld line in a flat panel will form a valley (I think Robert covered that), so once you grind the welds down, you'll probably have a bit of filling to do. If you can't get a regular dolly behind the panel, maybe you can sneak a spoon up between them to use as a dolly, that can help minimize the "valley" effect.
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Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truck Follow this saga in Project Journal Photos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.
Thanks, I like keeping as much old as I can. I`ll have to think about what I heard today. Basically. I have alot of work ahead of me. All panels cept the wheel well will have to fabricated to some degree. With the WW being the easiest. But if I can do that, the other can be done.
BTW ,I saw some older trucks I`ve not seen before. Fella has a building with some. Most are rods. He did have a nice condition Viking that he was working on. he was making a pickup bed for it that looked like a regular stepside bed, but much bigger fenders and all. So a monster looking apache step. Short bed!!
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I`ve gotten DIY as much as possible and got brakes . Me pulling myself underneath the truck with the driveshaft and frame. Then reaching up to the brake pedal and pumping it and then pulling myself back to the rear of the truck and bleeding the line. Back and forth. I have brakes!! Need a proper bleeding. As soon as I get my windshield in, I`ll load it up and take it to where I can get proper help. Whoo- Hoooo!!!
Try increasing your wire feed speed a bit to minimize burn thru. You can also try using a copper backer bar, but you still need to regulate the heat and wire feed.
You really should have rounded off the corners of your patches. I thought I had mentioned that earlier in the thread. It warps less than if you have sharp corners. Hope that doesn't come back to bite you in the butt. Maybe it'll mean just a bit more filler.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truck Follow this saga in Project Journal Photos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.
There is no way to get behind it for a backer bar. I thought I made that clear it has 2 panels. I am glad I used panel adhesive for the wheel well panel. That would have been a nightmare. Right now ,its more solid than it was originally. Since I have another to hit on the side to compare. darn I figured I would not get knocked down about it. I am proud as hell. Ive never welded before. I guess if they sold the panel rounded I would have done it that way. Its gonna warp. In addition ,I put on some vintage T bolts for my valve cover.
Windshield in today. I`ve keep that old thing around for 4 years. Having the wiper marks on it lends to the effort of replacing the rubber. That was one of my goals from last year , getting the truck glassed in.
Fender braces in. You can see the inner panel I have cut and bent back. Its solid. There is a brace in front of the wheel too. At least I can get to the back of this small portion. Paint.
This what I put in the truck. Might be of interest. 3 speed with OD. Looking for a cable with a 55-59 knob profile that will reach the transmission, so I can activate the OD manually.
This what I put in the truck. Might be of interest. 3 speed with OD. Looking for a cable with a 55-59 knob profile that will reach the transmission, so I can activate the OD manually.
Can you post a picture of the "knob profile" you're trying to match??? Also, what length of cable do you need?
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What about one of these??? Knob designs are slightly different, but I think both could be touched up to fill/remove the throttle image to make work for your need.
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)
What about one of these??? Knob designs are slightly different, but I think both could be touched up to fill/remove the throttle image to make work for your need.
Sorry to hear it didn't work out. What kind of bracket are you using?
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)