The Stovebolt.com Forums Home | Tech Tips | Gallery | FAQ | Events | Features | Search
Help is a click away!

VEHICLE
INFORMATION
KITS


at the

GM Heritage Center
All the details are here.

Searching the Site - a click away
click here to search
New here ??? Where to start?
Click on image for the lowdown. Where do I go around here?
====
Who's Online Now
2 members (Wayne67vert, joe apple), 56 guests, and 3 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Statistics
Forums66
Topics128,206
Posts1,057,438
Members48,471
Most Online14,466
Apr 26th, 2026
Step-by-step instructions for pictures in the forums
Brad Allen's photos

AD Chevy Trucks

Pictures galore
Over 6,000 pictures

Brad Allen has an awesome collection of Chevrolet factory pictures that he has set up from film strips.

Check them out!

Lots of work on Brad's part ... pure enjoyment (and references) for you!

Big Thanks!

THANKS!

For helping keep this great
old truck web site
on the Internet for

over 30 years!

and not clogged down
with Ads!


Again, thanks!

Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
F
59 Apache 3100
59 Apache 3100
F Offline
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
I had my instrument cluster on the floor of my cab, testing the fuel gauge before i installed it back into the dashboard. I shorted the fuel gauge (by accident) when my jumper wire touched the back of the instrument panel (metal). It sparked, but I caught it fairly quickly. The needle on the gauge went off the scale but returned to a normal position a while later.

Today I installed the instrument panel & carefully wired it up (thinking my fuel gauge was fine) Turned the key on & let the smoke out dang
I believe the gauge was not fine & was possibly shorted, thus melting the pink wire (+) when I turned the key on.

1. Are my assumptions correct?
2.How shall I proceed? Buy new gauge & replace the damaged wires? (the pink wire is only a few inches long & goes from the ignition switch to the fuel gauge)
Attachments
20231119_164201[1].jpg (200.68 KB, 209 downloads)
20231119_170037[1].jpg (193.79 KB, 209 downloads)
20231119_170311[1].jpg (134.22 KB, 211 downloads)
20231119_181941.jpg (301.84 KB, 211 downloads)

Last edited by festerhairball; 11/22/2023 5:31 PM.

1959 3100, original 235/3 on the tree w/overdrive. Carter YF 2100S carb, 205/75/15 w/front sway bar
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,244
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,244
I would start by looking real close at the rest of the wires in there. Especially from the ignition switch to the battery (along whatever path that takes) to make sure there are no other damaged wires upstream.

That much magic smoke indicates pretty close to a dead short. I would also unhook all the wires from the gauge and test it for being shorted to ground. That will tell you if the short is in the gauge itself or in how it is hooked up.

With that information you can decide how to proceed. Replacing the burned section of wire is a given, but depending on what you find there could be different options for what else you need to do.


From the Rocky Mountains?
Check in with the RM Bolters!
HiPo Forum Moderator

1958 Task Force Truck
"Frank" gets a new lease on life
Follow in the DITY Gallery
1959 3200 Task Force
The Ballad of Enkidu
The Saga in the DITY Gallery ~ and the story continues
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
F
59 Apache 3100
59 Apache 3100
F Offline
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
Thanks for the input Fibonachu..... I'll do some testing tomorrow & post my findings


1959 3100, original 235/3 on the tree w/overdrive. Carter YF 2100S carb, 205/75/15 w/front sway bar
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 4,511
J
Moderator, Electrical Bay
Moderator, Electrical Bay
J Offline
Joined: Mar 2014
Posts: 4,511
If you created a direct short to ground across the fuel gauge it is possible you ruined it. The fuel gauge is what's known as a balanced electromagnetic scheme and that means it has two electromagnets (both wound with different sized wire) and a permanent magnet pivoting in the middle. Those electromagnets are wound with very small wire and that wire is coated with shellac or varnish. You can see an example below. Any short to ground will either burn out the wires causing them to just melt or get them hot enough to melt off their shellac/varnish insulation and that renders them useless as electromagnets. Good luck!
Attachments
fuel gauge AD.jpg (43.48 KB, 166 downloads)


~ Jon
1952 1/2 ton with 1959 235 | T5 with 3.07 rear end
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
F
59 Apache 3100
59 Apache 3100
F Offline
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
I was hoping to find a fried gauge but it appears fine. Nothing melted or charred. All the soldering is fine & even all 3 windings are still intact.

The only wire that was toast was the 12 volt + from the ignition switch to the fuel gauge.

Fyi.... power goes from starter to Amp gauge ( blackwire). Then 2 red wires go from Amp gauge to light switch & other goes to ignition switch.

I have another gauge on the way but need to find my error before installing new one.

Help ohwell
Attachments
20231120_154600.jpg (206.57 KB, 121 downloads)
20231121_101236.jpg (91.12 KB, 121 downloads)
20231120_154829.jpg (139.66 KB, 121 downloads)
20231121_101951.jpg (183.19 KB, 121 downloads)
20231121_102135.jpg (127.79 KB, 121 downloads)
20231121_104821.jpg (146.16 KB, 121 downloads)
20231121_104811.jpg (108.66 KB, 121 downloads)
20231121_102635.jpg (175.32 KB, 121 downloads)


1959 3100, original 235/3 on the tree w/overdrive. Carter YF 2100S carb, 205/75/15 w/front sway bar
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,244
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,244
Edit 2: I figured out this is the alignment pin on thr mounting plate hitting the PCB.
Looking at your side picture (mountes like this), that looks like one of the through hole components might be sticking through and shorting.

Can you show us what it is that was sticking up?

Also, did you measure the resistance across the coils? Heat damage will occur in the center first, so it might be fused internally even though there is no visible damage.

Edit: Also, this gap concerns me as well. Depending on how it shifts when you tighten the nuts, that pin might be shorted to ground when installed. If the alignment pin on the right was what kept it from mounting flat, that would have pulled the whole gauge to the side. And potentially closed that gap/shorted it to the case.
Attachments

Last edited by Fibonachu; 11/21/2023 7:23 PM.

From the Rocky Mountains?
Check in with the RM Bolters!
HiPo Forum Moderator

1958 Task Force Truck
"Frank" gets a new lease on life
Follow in the DITY Gallery
1959 3200 Task Force
The Ballad of Enkidu
The Saga in the DITY Gallery ~ and the story continues
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,244
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,244
Tangentially related question: do you know the history of that gauge? We saw someone else with a similar one recently. His died when he hit a big bump, but the design was unfamiliar to Jon G and me.

I would be interested to know where it came from.


From the Rocky Mountains?
Check in with the RM Bolters!
HiPo Forum Moderator

1958 Task Force Truck
"Frank" gets a new lease on life
Follow in the DITY Gallery
1959 3200 Task Force
The Ballad of Enkidu
The Saga in the DITY Gallery ~ and the story continues
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
F
59 Apache 3100
59 Apache 3100
F Offline
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
The gauge is a 3- years old from classic parts.

https://www.classicparts.com/mobile/1955-59-Fuel-Gauge/productinfo/24-721/

I'll test the resistance later today 🙂👍

Last edited by Gdads51; 11/21/2023 10:22 PM. Reason: fix link to display correctly

1959 3100, original 235/3 on the tree w/overdrive. Carter YF 2100S carb, 205/75/15 w/front sway bar
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 11,187
Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums
Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 11,187
Not real familiar with that gauge, but I think the two small holes are for locating pins to keep the two terminals from touching the housing. The pin on the left in the attached picture is keeping the gauge from seating flat, and possibly letting the terminal short against the mounting housing. If the gauge coil resistances are OK, you probably dodged a bullet. Get it reinstalled correctly so the terminals are isolated from ground. See my notes at the red arrows.
Attachments
GAS GAUGE MOUNTING.jpg (196.71 KB, 106 downloads)


Kevin
1951 Chevy 3100 work truck
Follow this saga in Project Journal
Photos
1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car)
Busting rust since the mid-60's
If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
F
59 Apache 3100
59 Apache 3100
F Offline
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
I believe the we found the problem. You guys are correct,

.... since the gauge WASN'T mounted correctly ( flat) The post grounded out the the metal instrument panel

Do you guys agree?


The other problem is my eye sight aint what it used to be big_eek
Attachments
20231121_144630.jpg (144.72 KB, 94 downloads)
20231121_144345.jpg (199.39 KB, 94 downloads)
20231121_144522.jpg (120.11 KB, 95 downloads)
20231121_145337.jpg (121.44 KB, 95 downloads)


1959 3100, original 235/3 on the tree w/overdrive. Carter YF 2100S carb, 205/75/15 w/front sway bar
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,244
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Herder of Cats, Goats, and Sheep (moderator)
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 2,244
Based on that measurement and the closer pictures, I concur.

I would still recommend checking the wiring "upstream" from the ignition switch to make sure nothing between there and the battery was damaged in the process.


From the Rocky Mountains?
Check in with the RM Bolters!
HiPo Forum Moderator

1958 Task Force Truck
"Frank" gets a new lease on life
Follow in the DITY Gallery
1959 3200 Task Force
The Ballad of Enkidu
The Saga in the DITY Gallery ~ and the story continues
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 11,187
Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums
Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 11,187
Sounds like good news. I was backwards, thinking that the pins were on the gauge itself, but they're on the housing instead of the gauge. I think you're on the road to success.
Like Jason said, check that there's no damage to the wire from the starter terminal to the ignition switch. There's probably no fuse to protect it.


Kevin
1951 Chevy 3100 work truck
Follow this saga in Project Journal
Photos
1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car)
Busting rust since the mid-60's
If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
F
59 Apache 3100
59 Apache 3100
F Offline
Joined: Oct 2019
Posts: 113
Thanks for everyone's input it really helped 👍 I'll get a new guage & fresh roll of 20g. Pink wire in a few days & have it back together .

Have a great Thanksgiving everyone


1959 3100, original 235/3 on the tree w/overdrive. Carter YF 2100S carb, 205/75/15 w/front sway bar
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 29,888
H
Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer)
Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer)
H Offline
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 29,888
I'm pretty sure those gauge studs need insulators- - -even something as simple as a short spool cut from a heavy duty plastic soda straw would prevent a short to the gauge cluster, or a couple of layers of heat shrink tubing around the studs would work. I'd also suggest adding a short piece of fusible link wire at the battery cable connector in series with the wire going to the ammeter. It is pretty effective at preventing a positive smoke check of the entire wiring harness in case of a serious high current short.
Jerry


"It is better to be silent and be thought a fool than to speak and eliminate all doubt!" - Abraham Lincoln
Cringe and wail in fear, Eloi- - - - -we Morlocks are on the hunt!
There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self. - Ernest Hemingway
Love your enemies and drive 'em nuts!
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 11,187
Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums
Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 11,187
As long as the locating pins are in the slot of the gauge circuit board, the studs will be isolated, but they also need a fiber washer under the nuts holding the gauge in place.

That piece of fusible link wire is a good idea. I'll probably do that when I get the harness installed in my truck.


Kevin
1951 Chevy 3100 work truck
Follow this saga in Project Journal
Photos
1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car)
Busting rust since the mid-60's
If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.

Moderated by  Jon G, Rusty Rod 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Home | FAQ | Gallery | Tech Tips | Events | Features | Search | Hoo-Ya Shop
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 8.0.0