Figured I'd break down and start one of these. I bought my first truck a 1940 1/2 ton Chevrolet last December (2022). It was it pretty rough shape but it has a title. The frame has been cut on to make room for a V8 presumably. It came with a 1940 216 with an automatic transmission mated to it of all things. The engine and trans had been pulled some time in the past but thankfully had been stored inside. 6
I posted that I was looking for some replacement cross members on a Facebook group for 39-40 trucks and a guy from down around Kaufman Texas responded that he had a 1939 GMC 1/2T that he would sell along with a bunch of parts that I was missing. No title though. He had a seat that had been stored inside in great shape, all interior metal that had been primed and stored inside the last 25 or so years. Hood was also stored inside and is virtually rust free. The truck itself was in really rough shape and had been sitting in a field outside Canton TX for the last 25-30 years. Thankfully the windows were rolled up. The 228 was locked up like ft knox. The frame was in great condition though. So I winched it up and headed to his house for the rest of the parts he had stored in his shop. We hauled everything back to NW Arkansas and pulled in the driveway around 1am.
Third and final truck is a 46 Chevy 1/2T that I picked up from a guy about 45 minutes south of me. Also no title. The cab is virtually rust free and I plan to use it for replacement sheet metal. It came with a 235 that was in rough shape so I hauled it and the crash box to the junkyard. It didn't have a bed.
Currently, I have stripped down the 39GMC down to the frame and have had the frame powdercoated. I did not have a good set of front springs so I purchased new leaf springs from general spring. I have a good set of rear springs that I am needing to clean up and paint black. I took my front axle over to Guthrie OK this last spring and had sid from sids dropped axles straighten and replaced the kingpin bushings. I have found the all three rear closed drive lines are trash and I have ordered a custom rear axle from Dutchman axles out of idaho along with a new third member. Should be here sometime in Oct. Whew buddy was that big money. I decided that I wanted to move away from the babbitt bearings and tracked down a nice running 261 in Wisconsin that I will be going to pick up mid October. It will be mounted to an SM420. I also picked up a Bellhousing that has been modified to hold my pedal assembly that should mount to the 261 and sm420. I also purchased a zenith 228 carb for the old 261 that should be the ticket. It is off a 270 GMC. Thanks Carbking for the lead on the zenith.
Parts needed:
- 1939-1940 Gmc lower splash pan
This is a lot of info but I had to catch everyone up to speed on my project so far.
Last edited by Phak1; 04/12/202512:06 AM. Reason: Added a photo to the text
Here is the frame back from the powdercoater. I chose gray so that If I were leaking any fluids, they would be more visible against the gray vs a black.
Current shape of the 216. I know nothing about this engine other than the date code being 1940. The guy I bought it from knew even less. He purchased it from another guy a few years ago. He never even transferred the title. The title I received was issued in 1969. I believe I can use this air cleaner on top of my zenith 228 but I don't know 100%.
Daniel that is a great sounding project. I like how you have gathered up parts from parts hither and yon, for that old yella truck! Sounds like it has had some engine mount modifications already , so a little more wont hurt!
~Charley 1954 Chevy 3100 with 235 “Bud” Follow along in the DITY 1963 Chevy half ton stepside short box 230 1954 GMC 3 ton 302 And several more Chevy camper and work trucks 1979 1987 1996
Sounds like it has had some engine mount modifications already , so a little more wont hurt!
Thankfully, the 39 GMC Frame was in such good shape. I guess sometime in the past though the 39 had swapped transmissions and it had a PTO shaft out the side that necessitated cutting a notch in the transmission cross support so I used the transmission crossmember from the 40 Chevy that was still in good shape.
So todays work towards driving this piece down the road revolved around two pieces. The steering knuckle arm and the steering gear mounting bracket. I ground down the rivets and punched them out. Into the powdercoat bucket they go. FYI I will tape the bearing surface before they go to the powdercoat shop. They're good guys, they know.
Last job for the day is cleaning up some parts in the parts washer. The pinion gear is out of one of the parts trucks and it'll eventually end up listed on ebay. The drag link is getting 70+ years of grease and rust scrubbed off to be rebuilt. I have a rebuild kit waiting that I purchased from Jim Carter this summer. The bellhousing in the basin is soaking as it was covered in a grease that resembles tar more than oil. Ill let it stew a few days. Ill probably sell it as well. It came with my SM420. I believe its for a 62-67 Chevy. Ill look it up later.
Back at it this morning with these 1939 front hubs/drums. The drums were frozen on the shoes from sitting half sunk for 25+ years. As you can see, they needed a little motivation to remove them. I began by using a big hammer to knock out the wheel studs. Once I got them out, I used a cold chisel to separate the hub from the drum since someone else had already beat the hub up pretty good. In the process of knocking out studs, somehow I broke my mini sledge. Someone tell my wife that I wasn't complaining about the studs for nothing, even the hammer gave up. Anyway, the head is loose on the handle so I'll make a trip to Lowes this afternoon for a new one. Cant win for losing. Hub #2 game me a little fit. I wasn't thinking when I drove the stud down with the lug nut still on and must have deformed the threads on the stud or the nut and using my impact it spun in the hub. Ended up needing to cut it off with an angle grinder. Last photo is everything that I am keeping bagged up and ready for a 5 gallon bucket coffin.
I figure that you cant have too many of these consumable spare parts. It's like land, they don't make any more.
On a positive note, the hammer head didn't fly off while motivating hub #2 so that can be my win for the day.
Is it an illusion or is the outer bearing area deformed on 1 of those hubs? If so you might be chasing your tail to reuse it.
Chuck
Good eye. It is deformed. I figured worse case scenario if I needed one in the future and one isn't available here or fleabay, I can try to reform it in my lathe.
Next up for the day is breaking down some parts. The impact made short work of the 9/16 head bolts holding the ring on the carrier. I also ground down the peened dowel and drove it out to save this pinion from one of the parts trucks. (I removed this months ago so I don't remember offhand which one it came out of. Ring and Pinion will get in line for their evaporust baths. Currently I have a good hub soaking.
Bad news for the crusty Bellhousing. Must have scrubbed the thing too hard. I'm sure it would be fine but to the scrap pile it goes. I wasn't using this one for this project anyhow.
This morning I began cleaning up the drag link. First, I hit it with a power brush to knock off paint and surface rust. Next, I chucked it in the lathe and turned off 0.015". I did this to knock down the pitting. I finished up the day retapping the grease zerks. These are 1/8" NPT. Its back sleeping in the parts washer until I find my pipe wire brush to clean the inside threads.
Sad day for the 39 rear end. It is well worn on the saddles. Too much play without spending who knows the amount of time building them up. I spent half a day getting the saddles off the 40 rear end before the problems with it started piling on. The tubes were worn completely through on that one and the propeller shaft had worn through the bronze bushing at the trans output. Thus the new rear end coming from Dutchman Axles.
Not much in the way of work got done over the weekend. I spent a large amount of time devoted to researching the Zenith 228 Carburetor that I recently picked up. I was however able to start working on the old 216 engine last night (Sunday) that came with the 1940 Truck. My goal for the night was to divorce the transmission and bellhousing from the block so that I can get the block mounted to my engine stand.
This looks a little wonky because it was. I didn't have my engine hoist at my parents house where I have this stored so we used the front end loader of the tractor. The transmission came off super easy but as you all know, the rest is a pain. I don't have any photos of the end result because it was 1130PM.
I started by removing the starter from the bellhousing. Then, I removed the "Feet" that support the bellhousing to the frame crossmember. I then started removing bolts from the pressure plate. I could have made it easier on myself by pulling the plugs but I never make anything easy on myself. It sucked getting the flywheel to rotate. Finally got the pressure plate off. I then had 6 bolts in the flywheel to remove. I took a small flat blade screwdriver and punched the ears of the metal tabs that are bent up around the hex bolts down and was able to remove them with a standard 11/16 socket on an extension. After that, the flywheel came off mostly easy with some gentle raps from the dead blow. I put a rubber pad on the floor in case the flywheel dropped. The whole job took about 2.5hrs start to finish.
This morning, I made a trip to Lowes for some grade 8 bolts so that I can get the engine mounted to the stand. 7/16-14x4"
So I was able to get my engine mounted to my engine stand yesterday. The bolts in the back of the block are 7/16 - 14. The holes in my engine stand are ~15.5mm. I made some bushings out of some Oil-Filled Slippery UHMW Polyethylene Rod that I had left over from another project. Bushing length is 2.75". OD is 15.5mm. ID is 7/16. They fit like a glove. It took some work to get the arms in a position where all the bolts would thread in because of close the bolt holes are together on the back of the block. All in all about two hours of work between the bushings and getting the motor mounted to the stand.
I started cleaning up my Tie Rod yesterday. I power brushed it to knock off the paint and then chucked it in the lathe to knock down the burrs from pipe wrenches over the years. I didn't turn it down, I only used sand cloth and a file. This rod came from my 46 parts truck. It was in the best shape out of the 3 I had. I ran to Lowes this morning and grabbed some PVC caps for the 1" PVC scrap that I had around the shop. I will wipe the tie rod down with some acetone, let it dry, then put it in the tube and fill the tube with Evaporust to stew for a few days.
I pulled the two hubs out of their evaporust baths and wiped them down good with shop towels. They were nasty black but they wiped away to nice clean metal. I ran them through the parts washer and then wiped them down with acetone. I stuck them in an old oven set at 110 degrees for about 20 minutes. Before I cleaned them up, I cut out some circles with my glowforge laser cutter to fit nicely inside the bearing housings on each side of the hub. Each hub got 2 circles. One is 2.96" the other is 2.07". I cut it out of .050 chipboard (heavy cardboard. think picture frame backer.) I taped the bearing surfaces just incase and popped in the circles. I did this so inside the hub is bare cast steel. So far each hub has 2 coats of primer. Next week, I'll put two coats of semi gloss black on. Next thing is to draw up some gaskets for the hub/drum surface in Autocad and cut them out on the glowforge. I need to do some research to see what thickness to make them.
Let me guess, pic#3 is your handy-dandy rattle can paint shaker???
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)
I like your masking circles. I'd find all kinds of uses for a laser cutter like you have. Gaskets, etc, etc.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truck Follow this saga in Project Journal Photos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.
Let me guess, pic#3 is your handy-dandy rattle can paint shaker???
Its amazing that a guy is willing to spend 30 minutes drawing files and setting up a laser cutter for something fancy that some newspaper could accomplish but turn around and spend 10 seconds duct taping a rattle can to a sawzall.
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)
Hard to tell from the photo but these are small assorted frame pieces. I just dropped off 56 pieces in the bucket (Not everything was in the bucket at the time of the photo) and 13 larger pieces off to the powder coater. I didn't take a photo of the 13 larger pieces but they are bumper brackets, battery box, wheel dust shields and a spare tire carrier. Should see them in 2-3 weeks. Ill get everything laid out in a nice picture when I get it back.
This morning I pulled the drag link out of its Evaporust bath and scrubbed it with a new scotchbright pad and cleaned it with acetone. It was very nasty black. I made some quick and dirty v blocks with some scrap 2x4s on my mitre saw and taped the threads up with painters tape. Next, I put two coats of primer on it to sit over the weekend. Next week ill hit it with some black semi gloss along with the hubs.
I spent a few hours prototyping some new gaskets for the front drums inside and outside as well as a new gasket for the Zenith 228 throttle body. They came out really nice I think. I have these files in .dxf and .svg if anyone would like them to cut out.
Got my hubs and tie rod painted their last (2nd) coat of paint this morning. I didn't catch a picture of the finished tie rod but that's ok. It's just a painted stick.
Man what a long last two days it's been. I left out Wednesday afternoon on a 1500 mile roundtrip drive to Wisconsin to pick up a nice reconditioned 261. I swung by Jim Carter on the way home and was waiting for them to open the door this morning and filled my rental truck to the brim with extras. I'm going on vacation this week so it'll be a bit before I can get some pictures of the haul but boy howdy I am whooped from that roadtrip.
Well let's roll it back a few weeks ago when I began my search for a replacement for the tired 216. I wanted to stay period like but not fool with the splash lubrication or babbitt bearings. So the search began. A couple of weeks ago I saw a parts wanted ad for a gentleman looking for a 235. Another bolter responded that they had a 235 and a 261 available. It just so happened that the guy that had the two engines available was the guy that I bought the modified Bellhousing from for a 47-53 truck. I rang him up the next day and he sent me some pictures over. The 235 had been spoken for (this wanted ad was several days old at this point). Needless to say, a road trip to Wisconsin from NW Arkansas was in the works. I normally drive a Toyota Tundra but they're not known for fuel economy and in this day and age any miles I can keep off it is a gift. I decided to reserve a rental truck from enterprise. With the offset of gas savings, it cost me about $100 by the end of the trip. It was a couple weeks before we both had time to get together but finally, last Wednesday, Oct 11th, I left NW Arkansas with a goal to make it about 7 hours. I ended up pulling into a rest stop in N Illinois around midnight (I had to work Wednesday). I woke up at 730, found a McDonald's, and had about 3 hours left to go. It was a pretty morning other than the howling wind. I got there and we quickly got to work loading the engine. I casually mentioned that I was using a SM420 and planned to rebuild it and he said that he had a nice one about 20' away under a shelf. What the heck, throw it in too. We visited a bit and I was on my way just after lunch time. Tonight's goal was to make it as close to Kansas City as I could bear. I pulled into a rest stop a little after 930pm and went straight to sleep. I woke up around 7 and got on the road with about an hour to Jim Carters shop. I pulled in at 8am and waited for them to open. After I got done at Jim Carter, I swung across the state line to General spring and grabbed a pair of rear springs for 36-46 to replace my heavily worn rear springs. By the end of the trip I had that Chevy Colorado crammed so full I could barely see out of the windows.
I've attached a photo of the 216 in Jim Carters lobby and general springs shop.
The interesting thing is that I got sent the nodular pro case. The gears are correct though. I have to call Monday and see why.
The first thing I did was spend about an hour cleaning out the weld spatter and shavings. I used a scotch bright pad on a stick. I wiped it out with cleaner and shop towels until they wiped clean. Next I put on the lubelocker gasket. Then I dropped in the third member. It took a little work to get it in gently with a dead blow but I managed to not booger any studs. I slid the axles in per the instructions in case there was any play in the studs. I got them snug but I didn't have my torque wrench with me and it was 11pm so this is where I called it a night. I need to run to the parts store for some rtv silicone and I need to come up with a seal driver slightly under 2.500".
I thought I would post a picture of the interesting filler neck for a 39/40 GMC truck. For those that don't know, a 39/40 Chevy radiator will not drop in. This truck is owned by the gentleman that I got my extra doghouse from earlier this week. Date code shows July 1940. Part number is 3112890.
P. S. If anyone has one of these laying around, I need it.
I got my flywheel in today from a fellow bolter. This one is a 839754 heavy duty clutch. If I can get a clutch kit for it, I'm going to send it to the machine shop to be resurfaced. This is the 9 bolt pressure plate so I have to locate one first. If you have a lead on one let me know. Best of my knowledge, you can't buy them new.
After fighting my axles all weekend, I got them in. The left side axle went in fine and I was able to bolt the bearing retainer plate on to set the proper bearing preload. The right side however fought me. After putting it in and pulling it back out no less than 6 times, I gave up for the weekend and waited to call dutchman this morning when they opened shop in Idaho at 730. I probably spent 6 hours on it and I was at my wits end. I measured the bore and measured the bearing race with digital calipers to make sure it was fully seated and it was but I was still getting a gap around the retainer plate. Dutchman thought there was a chance the axle could be just a hair too long with the open diff. Kinda frustrating seeing as they manufactured the housing and axles from scratch (third member is made by strange engineering).
I chucked it in my big lathe with a live center and carefully (with lots of coolant) turned down 1/8 off the end. I swapped it to my smaller lathe that the axle shaft will fit through the headstock and faced the last little bit I couldn't get with the live center in the way. They are case hardened so I went slow and took my time.
That was the ticket I guess because it slid right in and the bearing retainer is flush with the backing plate now. All that's left is to swap the plain nuts for the lock nuts.
Attached photo is before I turned 1/8" off the end of the axle shaft showing the gap between the bearing retainer and backing plate. It was putting way too much preload on the bearing and completely locking the axle up. This is about 10ftlbs torque.
My latest 6 hr roadtrip was to pull this monster home. Found my GMC Grill. I'll need to straighten out the crank hole but it's in great shape otherwise. It even has the GMC only chin. Not sure what it weighs but the 12k winch didn't struggle too bad. I'd guess 8k. It has a 270 in it that supposedly turns over but the block has a crack that's been repaired.
It is a 1940 GMC AKCWX. Pretty rare truck.
Photo shows it after we finished loading but before we strapped down with chains and boomers.
Looks like quite a treasure trove of goodies on there.
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)
Well I finally got the frame moved in the shop and got my new leaf springs front and back laid out. I started pressing in new female threaded bushings on the driver side which went smoothly. Next, moving to the passenger rear, tragedy struck. Broken bolt. Shucks... And only 1/4" left to go. Can't say I'm surprised, the last inch I figured it'd break any second. Not the end of the world because it's not a race I suppose. Left side springs are fully installed but right side has both hanging waiting on a new bolt tomorrow from Lowes. I didn't buy this one since I'm on record. No, it was just a junk drawer bolt. Maybe I'll use a little anti seize or some kroil in the front one.
I got these 4 pieces cut out with the plasma table this week. I intentionally left the bolt holes to be drilled since plasma isn't nearly as accurate as a drill bit. I made these cardboard templates out of the same cut file but changed the holes to 1/8" to make it easier to mark center. I cut them on a glowforge laser cutter. My new rear axle uses 9/16 U bolts so I drilled the holes for them at 37/64. The shock absorber hole is 29/64 as the bolts are 7/16. I still need to clean them up and paint them and then hopefully my rear end will be ready to bolt to my rear springs.
I got these back from Apple Hydraulics in NY two weeks ago. I was on vacation in Florida last week so I haven't been updating or working. They did a fine job. It was a little over $800 to have them rebuilt with shipping. One of them was not repairable so they replaced it with one of their cores which cost me a little extra. They came back primed, filled with oil, and with new bushings installed. It was about two weeks turn around time. I chased the female threads with a tap shown in the photo and I will be installing them as soon as I find my bottle of blue loctite. They will be going in with new grade 8 bolts.
Well I got my rebuilt shocks installed last night. It was chilly in the shop so I fired up the Kerosene torpedo. It was 30° beforehand. It brought it up to a balmy 40° in about 30 minutes. It's certainly undersized for a 40x60 uninsulated shop. Just 125000 BHU.
Next task was installing the stiffeners that I forgot to install in the first place in my haste to start bolting the frame back together. It was a little tricky since I had already installed my new leaf springs. It went smoothly though and I was finished in about 30 minutes with both sides.
Skip to this morning and I finished by cleaning up the bolt holes on the rear axle shock tabs that I fab'd last friday. Afterwards, I put two coats of primer, then two coats of paint. Should be fully cured in a day.
Next on my to do list is to cut out new front axle shock mount tabs that bolt to the straight axle. I am moving to 1/2" steel. Attached is my 2nd cardboard template that still doesn't have quite a deep enough throat. Ah well, even ole WD needed 40 tries. I'm working on a new template tonight in CAD that I will cut out in the morning.
I am currently waiting on the new u bolts that I ordered from general spring this weekend to arrive so that I can paint them. I already have new 4° caster shims.
I started cleaning up the front spindle/brake mounting bolts today. The cleaned up nice. For awhile, these got misplaced and I was worried that I was going to have to machine new ones out of 3/4" hex stock. (I'm guilty of having parts stored in at least two separate locations).They took about 5 minutes a piece to shine up and get the grime off. I haven't decided if I am going to paint them yet. I'll order new locknuts from Fastenal tomorrow.
I also pulled the shock mounting tabs off the paint booth. Not terrible.
Had a mild setback this afternoon. I received the u bolts that I ordered from general spring for the front axle.
I ordered: (2) - 1/2" x 1 3/4" x 4" (2) - 1/2" x 1 3/4" x 5"
I received: (2) 1/2" x 1 3/4" x 4" (2) 1/2" x 1 3/4" x 7"
I gave them a call and they were great. I've got two correct ones coming my way free of charge. I offered to ship the incorrect ones back at their cost but they declined. I'll wait to get the correct ones before I paint them all in one go.
I got my rear axle bolted in last night. It went relatively quick. Probably an hour in total including torquing the bolts down. These tires are really small car tires 205/65/15. The frame still feels like its really high though.
So I got my new u bolts in (the correct ones this time). I got them painted Monday so I was able to start on bolting in my front my axle last night.
I started by getting it hanging from one side and then got the other side hanging. I left an inch gap or so to slide in my new shims. I had ordered a set of shims from sids dropped axles back in October and needed to cut them down to 1.75" from 2". They're a universal set so they already had a line to cut from. I didn't have my angle grinder so I had to do it the hard way. It took me a good hour or so to get all 8 nuts snugged up because everything needed to line up just right and all the u bolts needed to be straight etc.
Next step is to cut off the excess bolt lengths and torque the bolts down to 65ft lbs. and install the lever shock eyes for the front and rear axle (among other things). I need to buy new 7/16" nuts for them first though.
I can't tell from the picture, but be sure the thin end of the shim points towards the front bumper of the truck.
'57 GMC 102, Original 347 V8, HydraMatic, 3.08 rear gear, added A/C, disk front brakes, HEI, AFB carb, '98 Honda Black Currant paint. T-boned and totaled 10/12 '52 GMC 152 Stake Bed, Original 228, SM420, added A/C, HEI, disk front brakes, '67 Chev 3.55 rear gear. Gets used as a real truck.
I can't tell from the picture, but be sure the thin end of the shim points towards the front bumper of the truck.
Hey bill, thanks for the comment. And no worries, that's how I got em in there. It's hard to see no doubt. Now when it comes time to do tie rod ends that's another story...
I've ran into a couple of snags and haven't been posting any updates.
1. I damaged a bolt off on my new tie rod ends and will need to get a new one. It's a 3/8-16x1.5". I'm thinking this was grade 2 honestly because it bent like cheese with barely any pressure. I'll replace with grade 8.
2. I cleaned up some brake hardware that was filthy so that when I get my hardware kit that I ordered and brake pads that are also on order, they will be nice and clean ready to install.
I now have a painted drag link and 8 (2 not shown) flange plate bolts. I actually finished these up Monday but I'm just getting around to update the journal. They turned out nice.
1. I took my new to me flywheel to my local machine shop to surface. Should be ready early next week.
2. This is dangerous so I'm not recommending it but it certainly sucked less than doing it by hand. I chucked my new drag link balls into my drill press and put some valve lapping compound on the cups and lapped them in. They are much more smooth now.
I noticed that the new drag link rebuild kit needed a little machining to fit properly. I turned down the safety plug from 0.510" to 0.475" which is the same diameter as the old one. I also chamfered the edge so that it would drop into the recess. I then turned down a poly bushing to keep the safety pin centered in the spring but wouldn't keep the spring from compressing.
3. I pressed the new drag link balls into the third arm and pitman arm. I still need to put the pins through the castle nuts but that's simple.
My brake hardware kit is supposed to be in on Monday.
So I had to machine my drums to fit the studs. The old face thickness was 0.125". The new face thickness is 0.250". I faced off 0.040" and then flipped it over and machined off the rest to give a 0.125" face. The new studs that I got only had a 0.450" long knurl. I couldn't find anything from the dorman catalog and I didn't want to make it more complicated and this seemed like an easy solution.
I now have both hubs mounted and ready for bearings/seal.
I've started the nasty (understatement) job of rebuilding my steering gear. I have 3 steering gears in total. One from a 46 Chevy 1/2 ton, one from a 40 Chevy 1/2 ton. And one from my 39 GMC 1/2 ton. The 39 interestingly enough looks like the 41-46 steering gears but I haven't looked closely enough. Left is the gear from the 39 GMC and right is the gear from the 40 Chevy. I haven't decided which one I am going to rebuild. I have already disassembled the 46 and it had some water in the gearbox with some pitting in the Worm gear. I need to draw up some gaskets in CAD and cut them out on the laser cutter but I'll need to decide which gear to use as the earlier 40 gear uses a different gasket pattern.
Well it's not exactly truck related but I got a new parts organizer and several new junk drawers yesterday. Took about two hours to put together but I'm pretty impressed with the quality for the money.
More work on the steering gearbox today. I turned a bushing driver out of some scrap stock I had in the shop. It started out at 1.300". I turned the first step down to 1.2460" x 3.5" and the second step is 1.123" x 1". Worked great. I chucked my steering gear in my lathe to hold it securely and tapped out the sector shaft bushings in about 2 seconds.
More work on the gearbox. Just a little at a time. Hard to find time this time of year. I faced both gasket surfaces and drilled out the steering shaft hole to 1". It had some burrs so it was mostly just to clean it up.
I only took off a few thous on the gasket faces. I only did this to eliminate any surface imperfections.
I also used a 3/8 - 18 pipe plug tap to chase the plug hole which had some gunk in it.
It's been awhile since I've updated this. Not much work has occurred. It takes a lot of money to do a project like this so I've needed to save a little back up before I start spending again.
One thing I just built that didn't cost me anything but time, is a cab dolly shown here. I used some old casters that I saved from a piece of machinery I tore down and threw out at work. I dressed the wheels with a power brush before I installed them. I cut down a frame from the 1940 Chevy truck that had already been cut on in the past. I had the tubing laying around the shop from one of those times of thinking I could use that later.
I am also going to update this post at the beginning of parts that I still need so that when people click on this post that's the first thing they will see.
Been working on some new gaskets for the donor tranny while I save up for more parts. I don't remember if I mentioned it before, but I am using an SM420 behind the 261. I ordered a gasket set from Home Depot no less. The part number is FelPro TS5100. I took those gaskets and traced them on bond paper and used my calipers to measure them before starting to draw them up in AutoCAD. After a few prototypes, I only have a few prototypes left lol. Getting into the home stretch. Once this is all done, I'd be happy to share the file (SVG, DXF, etc..) via email if you have a Cricut or something else. I am using a Glowforge to cut mine out of cardstock (cheap prototype material).
I'm sure it seems a little silly to spend so much time doing this, but I hate cutting gaskets by hand, they never turn out great. If I screw one up, I can just cut out a new one in about 10 minutes instead of waiting a few days for the mailman. Plus, I can share the file with others and help out when needed.
I recently sandblasted and painted my bellhousing. I wrestled with the idea to powder coat it and I still might down the line. For now, It looks nice and new. I still need to face the machined surfaces and retap threads, but that will be quick. This is a 48-50 bellhousing that I got from Dave up in Wisconsin. It has been modified sometime in the past to hold my pedal assembly while also mating to my SM420. My old 216 bellhousing will not mate to the SM420.
It's been slow over here the last few months. I got in the shop yesterday and painted the SM420. Next step Is sending a whole pile of parts to the powdercoater. Mostly interior pieces . I got some samples from prismatic powder in the mail and settled on a nice white color for the interior. Exterior is still being debated in the household.
My 39 GMC had a title at one time but the previous owner didn't know where it went, so I ended up getting a bill of sale and had to go through a whole process of getting a bonded title. This morning, I dropped off a mountain of paperwork to the DMV to get a bonded title. Now, I just have to wait 3 years to get a clean title. I'm just glad I don't have to mail anything to Little Rock again.
For those wondering, I had to trailer the truck to the state police troop headquarters which is about 45 minutes away for a vin verification and then mail that paperwork off to little rock along with an application for a bonded title and the bill of sale. I waited for at least a month and then had to go get a surety bond for $100 then had to go assess the vehicle to add it to my taxes, then take all this paperwork to the DMV to send off for a title. Now, I wait for that paperwork from the state. Whew.
I've been looking for one of these for about two years. At some point, I'm going to have a CAD model complete and machine a die stamp mold for these grill bars. I recently bought a parts truck that has a grill a little more beat up than this that I have to go pick up halfway across the country later this fall. It also has the original radiator with the offset filler neck that I'm missing.
I traveled up to Dillon Montana a few weeks back and picked this machine up. Whew, talk about a drive. 46 hours or so round trip in 4 days. It was a little more since I was driving slower with a trailer. It's a 1939 GMC AC152 3/4 ton longbed. It has a bunch of great parts on it that I need/didn't have. One thing in particular was the original radiator which I have since pulled out, crated up, and sent off to Brassworks in Paso Robles CA to have restored. I was told it would be about a 4 month turn around. If you haven't heard of Brassworks, you should check out their website.They do some pretty incredible work. Anyhow, the radiator is pretty uncommon and does not interchange with Chevrolet. It also has a nice repairable grill and excellent hood ornament. This cab is in much better shape than the one I had planned to use so that was a nice surprise. The downside is that the floor is actually in worse shape, so I am currently planning to cut this floor out and replace it with a good floor from another parts 39 GMC cab that I have. The 228 that came with it is stuck best I can tell. I've been really thinking about going full tilt and eliminating all things Chevy from this project but haven't committed to that yet.
I've been hard at work stripping the truck down and now have the cab off the frame and working on stripping the cab down to start the process of 10 different ways to ruin this thing. In all reality, I have a bunch of welding to do from fixing random holes that have been drilled through the years to crusty rusty floors and a patch panel or two. Not to mention a few bolts that broke off in the process of removing them. I must have only got 3 bolts out with a screwdriver. I swear I welded a whole box of nuts to screwheads. Interestingly, there wasn't a single clutch head screw that I've found yet. I've currently got on order a cowl patch panel from a guy in Canada (tscoachworks). On a side note, I've pulled out four 5 gallon buckets of rat nest that was inside this thing. This thing smelled terrible until I took it to the car wash. Last photo is it mocked up. I'll pull it back off to do any welding and such.
Couple things I've bought recently: 6v AGM Optima red top 1/0 battery cable Battery terminals Couple martin body hammers Martin slapper Martin dolly Spot weld cutter kit
Daniel, I've just discovered your Epic Project, very impressive! On the Montana find and trip, I was fortunate enough to spend a few years working in that part of the world ending in 2015. My days often consisted in driving a couple hundred miles in the undeveloped high plains of North Dakota and sometimes eastern Montana. Most would be totally amazed at the amount of pristine old iron just sitting around. You'll sometimes find it near and in old barns, but more often just sitting in the middle of nowhere on federal lands. The best news is rust isn't the bad hungry beast we see in the South.
Good Luck
RonR
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Daniel - Such excellent news about acquiring that wonderful parts truck! Looks like you are already elbows deep into getting things going. That was a seriously nasty "colony" you had going on in that door. Hope you didn't bring any of those critters home with the truck.
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)
Been a hot minute. Still paying for my restored radiator. I sent my Montana truck radiator off to brassworks in California to be fully restored. It was a pretty penny at $2700. Definitely made me question my sanity, still is honestly. Its one of the things that unique to the 39/40 GMC though so I bit the bullet. Took 4 months to get back.
The cost for a top quality job like that will be long forgotten when you're enjoying driving your one-of-a-kind truck down the road.
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
That 3112890 radiator is listed in my GMC Master Parts Book as correct heavy duty radiator for 1939-40 1/2, 3/4 and 1 ton GMCs.
'57 GMC 102, Original 347 V8, HydraMatic, 3.08 rear gear, added A/C, disk front brakes, HEI, AFB carb, '98 Honda Black Currant paint. T-boned and totaled 10/12 '52 GMC 152 Stake Bed, Original 228, SM420, added A/C, HEI, disk front brakes, '67 Chev 3.55 rear gear. Gets used as a real truck.
Im at a crossroads. I've been planning to use the 261 for about two years now but I'm moving more in the direction of more gmc and less Chevrolet. Plus, I'd need to do some changes with the front cross member to accept the 261. I think I've decided to go the 228 route. If anyone has a nice running 228, let me know. I've also posted a wanted ad for more info. I think I'll sell my 261 or trade it.
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Daniel - Any reason why you want to restrict it to a 228? With the larger displacement 248/270/302 having the same engine footprint (I think), just wondering why restrict your engine choice to the smallest displacement???
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)
That's a valid question. I did say 228 route but I would be open to any group 1 (228, 248, 270, 302). I had seen somewhere that the 248 was more difficult to tune due to siamese cylinders but truthfully I don't know if any of the others would be the same. I know i haven't seen hardly any of these on Facebook marketplace let alone close to me in NW Arkansas. Id prefer not to get one that needs a bunch of machine work.
So I started working on pulling the motor from my Montana GMC this weekend. The transmission was stuck in gear and I didn't have any luck getting the old crashbox to pop into neutral even with a 4x4 post/hammer. At this point, I couldn't tell the condition of the rear end or the motor so I needed to separate the 3. I pulled the motor out and discovered the rear end is still fully locked up which isn't that big a deal since I already have a new rear end. once I got the transmission separated from the engine, the engine was also locked up. Based on the casting numbers, it is not the original motor to the truck. The head also has a later casting date than the block. I got to work stripping the block down to see if I could find the reason that it was locked up and after a couple hours I got the head off to discover this disaster.
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Yup - That's gonna make internal movement a little restricted. Gonna be a tough one to get freed up, if it can be, but its possible it may still be saved. I guess now it depends on how much energy you want to put into it. I think I'd venture a look at the bottom end to see what it looks like and then you can decide if it's worth the time/effort or not.
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)
That's solid advice. It's currently hanging out in the corner while I'm working on my 2nd 228 that I acquired earlier this week from a guy up in Joplin that was selling it as a 256. This one supposedly ran when parked but I'm skeptical.
So last weekend, in my search for a GMC engine, I found a "256" in Joplin that ran when pulled, supposedly. Joplin is only an hour and a half down the road and it was a good price so I thought what the heck. I knew a 256 was an oddity, but I was fine with it. I loaded up on Tuesday after work and headed to Joplin. It was interesting getting it loaded while we were blocking the neighborhood street with a cherry picker since it still had the transmission attached, we barely got it in the truck with my toolbox taking up part of the bed. It took us about an hour. When we shut the tailgate, the fan blades were touching the gate. The guy said he got it in a package deal with some other car parts and it had supposedly been in a dump truck that was getting squished so they pulled it to save it since it ran. That's all the info the guy offered. Away I pulled!
After a brief pitstop at Menards, I decided I'd try to scrape some gunk off the tag next to the distributor and voila a 228 appeared. In a dump truck you say?? I say as well. I believe the transmission is a sm420 and the bell housing is out of a 48-53 truck.
I tore the Joplin 228 down and by the looks of it, its good enough that I dropped the head off at the machine shop this afternoon to be checked out. If its free of cracks, they're going to work it over. Stay tuned. He told me it would probably be mid August.
I put some more work into the Joplin 228 this evening and well into the night. Its 1203AM here and I'm just about to turn in. At some point in its life, this engine spent some time on its oil pan and its all beat up. I got it pulled off with about a 5 gallon bucket of dirt and oil. I found this video that explains how to remove the oil pump and it made a quick job of it. Afterwards, I began the horrible job of removing the stuck lifters. Every single one fought me. I know I could only use my hands to get them out so with a combination of brake cleaner and a whole roll of shop towels and nothing but time, I got them all out. I made this handy holder out of a scrap stick of lumber.
Today was a lot of work. I'm trying to get the block torn down to send to the machine shop and I'm just about there. I got the ridge reamer out and even though it was my first time using one, it worked mostly great. I did have to go back and ream one cylinder again because I could still feel a small ridge. When it came time to drop the pistons, they all came out without a hitch. I also plan to send the camshaft and lifters to a company out in Vancouver WA called Oregon Camshaft. Their turnaround time is 4 weeks.
Also, thank god I bought this impact driver screwdriver a long time ago. I probably never would have got the screws out of the camshaft thrust plate and the flat blade screws on the motor mount plate.
In case anyone is wondering, the caps and rods are stamped so that they go back in the same orientation.
Daniel - Very nice progress on the engine tear down. I like your balancer puller! I've also used one of those impact drivers and found it to be really useful. I'm following along on your engine work as I hope to be doing something similar in the somewhat near future.
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)
So glad I have my impact screwdriver too! Very handy in some situations. When it was time to rebuild my 235, I just dropped it off at the machine shop and they took care of everything. I guess I lost out on gaining some experience in tearing down the block.
~ John in Utah 1946 1/2Ton w/4-speed manual transmission w/1960 235 engine Here We Go Follow in his DITY Bay
- If you think about it, it has been one year ago today!
The downside to this puller was that the central bolt was slightly larger than the bore of the harmonic balancer and cut some threads into the balancer bore. If I were to do it again, I might buy a different one with a slightly smaller bolt.
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)
Worked more on tear down tonight. Got everything off the block except for the freeze plugs which I'll try to get out tomorrow before I take it to the machine shop. I looked at the oil galley plugs this morning for about 2 seconds and assumed a 3/8 extension would fit and NOPE it's 5/16. Well at 9pm it's not like you're going to town to buy a plug remover if they even had one so I made one. The first one ended up stripping the threads out of the nut so I welded prototype #2. I ground the head down to 5/16 square with the world (mostly). Lastly, I took a bunch of measurements on the bore and I won't lie, I'm second guessing myself here. I quadruple checked my zero with my mic. My block is stamped with an A meaning 0.005 overbore from the factory. I can't figure out for the life of me why most my measurements are under. I set my dial bore zero at 3.5675
For anyone reading this wanting to do a tear down, they sell this tool which is the proper tool to remove the 5/16 plugs.
Got all 7 freeze plugs out and remaining oil galley plug that I couldn't get to with it in the engine stand. I finished off with blowing out every accessible passage with compressed air so that It gets as clean as possible before I drop it off a the machine shop in the morning.
Took the day off work and dropped the block off at the local shop this morning. In the meantime, I'm "fixing" what I tore up before. Originally I was going to swap this cross member to a Chevrolet cross member so the shorter 261 dropped in but I've since reversed direction. I had ground these rivets intending to punch them out but I'm now drilling the holes to accept 3/8-16 grade 8 bolts. I am also going to mock up a spare "bad" engine I have so I can get a driveshaft made.
Hit a snag today. I had ordered rear engine mounts back in December anticipating this. I ordered ME217 from Jim carter. It said to use ME218 for a 48 to 53 truck and I was using a 48-53 bellhousing but I figured the 217 one would be correct since my frame is a 39. I was wrong, I think. Long story short, the rear engine mounts are too wide to fit in my crossmember. Its sitting about 1/2" where its hitting on the 45 degree bits. I called Jim and ordered the 218 motor mounts so well see.
Another problem that's coming down the pipe is that the SM420 is basically touching the rear engine crossmember and I cant get the front engine mount bolts to come forward enough to seat in their home. Once I get these other rear engine mounts, well see what needs to be done.
I pulled the camshaft timing gear off the camshaft this morning. I rigged this puller up and made sure the nuts and washers cleared the thrust plate. A lot of people probably press it off and back on so I'll need another setup when it comes time to reinstall. Hoping to get the camshaft and lifters sent off this week to be cleaned up.
I got the camshaft sent off on Tuesday along with the lifters. It was delivered Friday so now the long wait begins. In other news, I met a gentleman this morning and sold the 261. It was hard to see it go, but it was the right call I think.
Friday night (today is Sunday) I got the new motor mounts (ME218 from Jim Carter) installed on the bellhousing and was able to get the motor to drop in. I am getting a little bit (a lot) of direct contact with the SM420 on the rear cross member, so I am going to need to slightly modify the cross member to get some clearance. Worse case scenario, If I ruin the cross member, I do have a spare frame with a good one in it.
I am currently going to college part time, so I may not have a lot of time now that the semester is starting, but Ill try to get a little work in every once in a while.
I visited the Ozark Antique Auto Club Swap Meet last month in Springfield MO. I picked this horn up for $15 untested. When I got it home, I hooked it up to a 6v battery and what do you know, it sounds great. Of all the parts trucks I've got, none had an original horn.
It's the little things. Plus, the family had a nice Saturday out and about.
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Daniel, I'm late to your build and for that I apologize. I'm south of you a bit but my son just moved from Bentonville to Tontitown so we're in the area occasionally. All that said, a neighbor down the road has a small salvage yard. Way back in the brush is a 40-50ish GMC with county road department door markings. As I recall it"s a complete solid body truck (may have a small dump bed). Don't recall the hood emblems but it sure looks like it could be a desirable GMC engine donor. If you're interested I'll check it out and let ya know.
Id definitely be interested. They aren't making any more of these things lol. I try to collect everything I can which is probably why I'm not done with this thing yet!
I’ll make a trip down the road one day this week and take a few photos. I’m in recovery mode from a “unscheduled rapid dismount” from my Brides new horse and moving slow at the moment.
Jim Carter did my speedometer last year. 1500 miles later, it looks and works great.
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
Daniel, I forgot to mention this; If access to your instruments behind the dash is difficult, re-assemble them with knurled nuts that you can spin tight by hand. Trying to put little hex nuts on the little studs on the back of the gauges and then trying to get a socket and wrench back there was very difficult on an AD truck.
I bought brass knurled nuts at Ace Hardware to re-install my speedo and it took about 5 minutes.
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
Otto, thanks for the quick tip, I think that's a great idea. I'm not sure what the turn around time will be but whatever it is, I'm sure I still won't be ready for them lol. The person on the phone said it's their old technician that restores them.
As the moderator for the Project Journals, I pride myself on staying well-informed about all our contributors' efforts, and I must confess I completely dropped the ball on keeping up with your epic journal.
While I certainly have an excuse (don't we all?), it doesn't diminish the fact that I should have been paying closer attention. When I took over the Project Journal forum two years ago, my primary focus was on streamlining and organizing. I've been busy culling journals that had become inactive, gently prompting contributors who needed a little nudge, and relocating completed journals to a dedicated "Completed Journals" forum. When I started, there were approximately 150 Project Journals, and now, thankfully, the number of truly active journals stands at a much more manageable 21.
I just recently took the time to read through your journal from beginning to end, and I must say, you have quite the project on your hands! The sheer amount of donor trucks, engines, and spare parts you've managed to amass is truly amazing, especially considering how rare your truck is. Your workshop is equally impressive, housing a lathe, Bridgeport, plasma table, and all the other essential tools required for such a thorough restoration. Your dedication and tenacity in sourcing the correct parts, regardless of cost, are truly impressive. Furthermore, your mechanical and engineering abilities are nothing short of outstanding.
To all my fellow 'Bolter's out there, if you haven't yet had the pleasure of reading Danielbolt's journal, you are truly missing out on a genuinely impressive build. It's a testament to what can be achieved with passion, skill, and determination.
Please keep up the fantastic work and excellent documentation on your build. You got me hooked and I will be following!
Phil Moderator, The Engine Shop, Interiors and Project Journals
1952 Chevrolet 3100, Three on the Tree, 4:11 torque tube Updated to: ‘59 235 w/hydraulic lifters, 12v w/alternator, HEI, PCV and Power front Disc Brakes Project Journals Stovebolt Gallery Forum
I certainly appreciate the kind words. I'm fortunate to have access to a lot of tools the average guy doesn't but it doesn't mean I always know the proper way to use them hah!
I'm currently jumping around a bit on the project, but this week I'm working on getting the new to me 248 dropped in the truck so I can start figuring out fitment, driveshaft, brackets etc.
Couple things: 1. SM420 was hitting the rear cross member on the junk 228 fitup so I assume that's still a problem. I'll need to modify the rear cross member 2. Battery tray was also hitting the trans, I'll need to modify that. 3. I want to get the pedal assembly bolted to the modified bellhousing to see if I need additional bracing (probably do)
I figured out the drag link ball that I replaced awhile ago wouldn't clear the front axle. I ended up cutting the stud off and heating it up and peening it down. I had considered welding it but I thought I'd try peening it first. It wasn't as easy to peen down as I thought it would be.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truck Follow this saga in Project Journal Photos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
Your gauges look amazing and it was “money well spent”!
Phil Moderator, The Engine Shop, Interiors and Project Journals
1952 Chevrolet 3100, Three on the Tree, 4:11 torque tube Updated to: ‘59 235 w/hydraulic lifters, 12v w/alternator, HEI, PCV and Power front Disc Brakes Project Journals Stovebolt Gallery Forum
Not much in the way of work has gotten done this year. Been saving up some money and I'm headed north to the artic circle of kansas city next week to pick up my new rear 40-46 fenders and front bed panel from Jim Carter. It's a shame mar-k went out of business because I really need a new or at least better tailgate. The folks over at Jim Carter don't know if or when they'll get any more tailgates and I've called many others and have been told the same. I guess I'll have to keep an eye on eBay for now.
I'd like to reuse my gmc bed but it's in a lot worse shape than my Chevrolet bed. Either way I'll aim for a nonstamped tailgate and apply the gmc decal or find a nice stamped gmc one.
I actually have a stamped gmc gate but it looks like it's been ran over and someone turned a child loose on the welder.
I've been out of town for work this week so I figured I'd bring some work with me to keep my evenings interesting in the hotel. Might be pointless, but I modeled this part in case I wanted to machine a die to stamp a new one.
Daniel - Just curious (I know it can get a guy in trouble - lol), but did you omit the two large circular notches towards the rear corners of the outer flange on purpose?
Otherwise everything in your rendering looks "spot-on"!
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)
To the best of my knowledge, those aren't original. Pictures online of this exact part are really difficult to find but they haven't had them. I also only have this one with the handful of extra parts that I own. The holes are also not on the parts book drawing in the attached picture. Like most things, I guess when I start putting it together it should be pretty apparent haha.
I will post some photos of my parts later tonight. I have two examples with the cut outs...a little different, but they are present.
I don't know if this response is helpful to what you are doing, but I have two of those parts that came with my FrankenProject. My cab, grill and fenders are 1940 Chevrolet, and the part you are making looks to be mostly the same as the parts I have.
The first two photos are of a part that came with my project, and the second two show a part from a second source and the part that it was screwed to when I received - still showing with the primer paint outline showing the location of those cut out areas relative to where it mounts.
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Nick 1940 KC Model 1/2 Ton Pickup Project (with '37-'39 Bed and what we think is a '42-'46 Frame) Taos, New Mexico
Smallish update. I sent my hood ornament off to Vern Toedtli in Vancouver WA and he did a tremendous job on the chrome. I should also get my upper moulding back next week. Im going to send my grill next since its a little more expensive to restore.
Daniel, in your first photographs of the rusty part, what are those circles randomly placed on it?
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
Otto, you're going to have to be more specific. Which picture in what post?
FYI, I contacted Vern Toedtli after seeing the pics of the grille pieces. He said he only does grille restorations and has his neighbor Pacific Northwest Plating do the chrome work. Looks like a quality job both on the restoration and chrome. Pacific NW plating is probably the closest shop to me now, as one that Homer52 used in Seattle no longer does chrome.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truck Follow this saga in Project Journal Photos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.
Dang! I just realized this thread is 13 pages long.
Top of this page, Picture #3.
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1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
13 pages? I'm only showing 4 pages, but it depends on your settings as to how many post per page.
But I'm assuming you mean this picture.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truck Follow this saga in Project Journal Photos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together.
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
Otto - Those are modeling reference points for doing CAD (Computer Aided Design) files to use as the base for machining stamping dies to recreate the stamped panel from sheet stock.
Basically creating a computer file that replicates the original piece dimensions into a 3-D model using the reference target points.
PS - I may have not used the correct terminology for what I described, but I think you get the basics of what it means. Daniel, Kevin or someone else more knowledgeable of the process can clear up anything I didn't get exactly right.
~ Dan 1951 Chevy 3 window 3100 Follow this story in the DITY Gallery "My Grandpa Carl's Truck and How it Became Mine" 1966 Chevelle (Wife's Hot Rod) | 2013 Chevy Silverado (Current daily driver) US Army MSG Retired (1977-1998) | Com Fac Maint Lead Tech Retired (1998-2021)
Otto, those are reference points for my 3D scanner. I can take a scan and load it into a different software to create a 3D model in Fusion. The link below can give you a little more info on it.
Those pieces look fabulous! Going to look great on your truck.
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Phil Moderator, The Engine Shop, Interiors and Project Journals
1952 Chevrolet 3100, Three on the Tree, 4:11 torque tube Updated to: ‘59 235 w/hydraulic lifters, 12v w/alternator, HEI, PCV and Power front Disc Brakes Project Journals Stovebolt Gallery Forum