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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | Is a 39 GMC POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE GROUND
WHEN I GOT IT IT WAS HOOKED UP POSITIVE GROUND
HAS AN ALTERNATOR AND 6 v battery | | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 Sir Searchalot | | Sir Searchalot Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 | I believe it was originally positive ground. No reason to keep it that way, but whatever you want. Only there things are affected, coil wiring, battery cables and ammeter wiring. So you have a 6V alternator?
Right is right, even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it. - William Penn | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | Good question I don’t know
Hopefully get it started tomorrow and check output of alternator
Thanks for replying
BTW after researching some more looks like GMC POSITIVE CHEVY NEGATIVE
GO FIGURE | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | Running no output from alternator
Sooooo
Can I run a standard 70s style (2 wire plug in plus battery wire) alternator with a positive grounded 12v battery?
Or just switch the battery to negative ground?
I was always told DC stuff wired backwards spun the other way but apparently this isn’t true
But isn’t that how power windows are controlled by reversing the current? | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | And as long as we’re on the subject I still use my grandpas ancient bench grinder
It needs help getting it to spin and depending which way you spend it is the direction it runs | | | | | Joined: Jul 2018 Posts: 278 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jul 2018 Posts: 278 | We may need to consult Nicola Tesla on that !
~Charley 1954 Chevy 3100 with 235“Bud”Follow along in the DITY1963 Chevy half ton stepside short box 230 1954 GMC 3 ton 302 And several more Chevy camper and work trucks 1979 1987 1996 | | | | | Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,475 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,475 | And as long as we’re on the subject I still use my grandpas ancient bench grinder
It needs help getting it to spin and depending which way you spend it is the direction it runs It needs a starter cap or the switch that controls the cap.
'57 GMC 102, Original 347 V8, HydraMatic, 3.08 rear gear, added A/C, disk front brakes, HEI, AFB carb, '98 Honda Black Currant paint. T-boned and totaled 10/12 '52 GMC 152 Stake Bed, Original 228, SM420, added A/C, HEI, disk front brakes, '67 Chev 3.55 rear gear. Gets used as a real truck.
| | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 Sir Searchalot | | Sir Searchalot Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 | Slow down a bit Jack. First things first. We can't start helping you before we know what parts you have and your goal. 1. IMO Change to negative ground. very easy 2. IMO Change to 12V system. 3. Post picture or part number of the alternator you have. 4. Do you have a voltage regulator? 5. Do you have a ballast resistor? 6. Do you have a foot start starter? Is it 6V or 12V? 7. What motor is in truck? 8. Early GMC's having positive ground is a well known fact around here. They went to neg in early 50's.
It seems to me you are between making up your mind on 12V or 6V....and Neg or Pos ground and have some kind of "alternator" not generator. So need to get it all sorted out, then we will help hook it all up. I do recommend 12V negative ground and using a Delco 10si alternator. Many have gone this route and we have helped them do it.
The grinder is for later. You can continue to start by hand. As Bill says the winding with a capacitor in series will magnetize slightly earlier than the winding without the capacitor. The old single phase motor on it should have been wired to start in the correct direction. And yes switching wires will casue motors to change direction.
Right is right, even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it. - William Penn | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | A bit more details in my posts would be helpful
Sorry
Yes going to 12v negative ground
It has the 10si alt internal regulator on what I’m thinking is the original 216? My assumption is that it’s 12v not one of those 6v aftermarket alternators
I’ll post a pic
Have access to lots of spare alternators so if this one doesn’t kick in I’m good
Not worrying about lighting etc just needs to run for now
No blower motor etc
Was going to install a 12v no resister needed coil
Foot starter switch
I’m guessing where the confusion came in is that the person who brought this to me put in the 6v battery and grounded it to positive not realizing it had an alternator on it
I guess the biggest question I have is will the starter spin the right way?
Many thanks | | | | | Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,475 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,475 | The original 6 volt (positive ground) starter in my '52 GMC runs the right way after changing the electrical system to 12v negative ground with the battery + connected to the stomp switch and battery - connected to the engine block.
DC permanent magnet motors turn in the opposite direction when you change polarity. Our starter motors (and most [all?] of the other starter motors in the world) are NOT permanent magnet motors and don't care what polarity they are hooked up as.
Last edited by Bill Hanlon; 09/04/2023 11:29 PM.
'57 GMC 102, Original 347 V8, HydraMatic, 3.08 rear gear, added A/C, disk front brakes, HEI, AFB carb, '98 Honda Black Currant paint. T-boned and totaled 10/12 '52 GMC 152 Stake Bed, Original 228, SM420, added A/C, HEI, disk front brakes, '67 Chev 3.55 rear gear. Gets used as a real truck.
| | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 Sir Searchalot | | Sir Searchalot Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 | A bit more details in my posts would be helpful
Sorry.....YOU ARE DOING GOOD
Yes going to 12v negative ground.....GOOD
It has the 10si alt internal regulator .... GOOD on what I’m thinking is the original 216? My assumption is that it’s 12v not one of those 6v aftermarket alternators
I’ll post a pic
Have access to lots of spare alternators so if this one doesn’t kick in I’m good
Not worrying about lighting etc just needs to run for now... AS LONG AS ALL THINGS ARE EITHER 12V COMPATIBLE OR DISCONNECTED
No blower motor etc
Was going to install a 12v no resister needed coil.........I RECOMMEND AND 12V COIL WITH RESISTOR NEEDED AND A BALLAST RESISTOR
Foot starter switch......WITH SIDE TERMINAL
I’m guessing where the confusion came in is that the person who brought this to me put in the 6v battery and grounded it to positive not realizing it had an alternator on it
I guess the biggest question I have is will the starter spin the right way?
Many thanks
Right is right, even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it. - William Penn | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | Many thanks!
That makes sense | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | Should I put on the taller cap and rotor
I think someone said the those came about with 12v and higher voltage coils to prevent carbon tracking arcing to ground
Much appreciated everyone! | | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 Sir Searchalot | | Sir Searchalot Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 | WOW! Jack...that is a museum piece!!!!!!!! What a really neat truck. Very rare.
I don't know about the cap............the AD and pre war guys do. Stamp indicates a 270 block. Internet says produced 1941-1963.....lots of swapin' going on from 39 up on all the straight 6 series of GMC motors.
Right is right, even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it. - William Penn | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | Thanks
Was having trouble decoding engine numbers
Very helpful
My friend who owns this has lots of “interesting” stuff
He owns a wrecker business so lots of trucks he’s purchased get antique wreckers installed
Appreciate all of you
J | | | | | Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,475 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,475 | GMC (and Chevy I think) used the short cap distributor in '52 and earlier and the tall cap in '54 and later. I can't remember about '53. But you can't just put the tall cap and rotor on the '52 and earlier distributor, nor the short cap and rotor on the '54 and later distributor. You have to swap the whole distributor.
I have a '54 Chevy distributor in my '52 GMC.
Last edited by Bill Hanlon; 09/04/2023 11:38 PM.
'57 GMC 102, Original 347 V8, HydraMatic, 3.08 rear gear, added A/C, disk front brakes, HEI, AFB carb, '98 Honda Black Currant paint. T-boned and totaled 10/12 '52 GMC 152 Stake Bed, Original 228, SM420, added A/C, HEI, disk front brakes, '67 Chev 3.55 rear gear. Gets used as a real truck.
| | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 Sir Searchalot | | Sir Searchalot Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 | ...and what is the idea of this cap change? Does it do something you need?
Right is right, even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it. - William Penn | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | One of the forum discussions I had about 6 months ago someone suggested that the taller cap came about with higher energy 12v coils to prevent arcing
Anyway I’m good I don’t need it
Thanks | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | Are 4ga battery cables ok for 12v? | | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 Sir Searchalot | | Sir Searchalot Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 |
Right is right, even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it. - William Penn | | | | | Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,475 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,475 | ok? As long as everything else was perfect.
'57 GMC 102, Original 347 V8, HydraMatic, 3.08 rear gear, added A/C, disk front brakes, HEI, AFB carb, '98 Honda Black Currant paint. T-boned and totaled 10/12 '52 GMC 152 Stake Bed, Original 228, SM420, added A/C, HEI, disk front brakes, '67 Chev 3.55 rear gear. Gets used as a real truck.
| | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 Sir Searchalot | | Sir Searchalot Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 | Yes, I forgot........if the creek don't rise.
Right is right, even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it. - William Penn | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | Bartamos
What makes this rate
I know because they’re aren’t ma y if them
Was 39 low production or is there something unique about this model
You did say a 270 engine? | | | | | Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 Sir Searchalot | | Sir Searchalot Joined: May 2005 Posts: 8,983 | It is pretty unique. It's old, has original looking paint, signage and lettering. It's a GMC, it's wrecker equipped. It's complete, good condition and the no. 1 thing with old trucks is quantity of rust. If it runs and drives, more value points. If the truck, logos, lettering and paint is actually original, it is possibly of interest to gas station/service station collections. Albeit the Internet says 270 came in 1941. Pretty era correct though. The Freeport and AAA look add on.
Right is right, even if everyone is against it, and wrong is wrong, even if everyone is for it. - William Penn | | | | | Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: May 2019 Posts: 237 | Thanks for the reply
It’s pretty rust free
My friend that I’m working on this for bought it years ago
He owns a wrecker business and had the lettering done
His brother owns a sign business
He also dropped the wrecker in the back
Not sure what it looked like when he got it
Under the hood is dark green
Runs needs brakes
Tried to post more pics earlier
I’ll try to add some more
It’s being used as part of the opening of the stock car hall of fame in Rockford il next month | | |
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