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on the Internet for over 30 years! and not clogged down with Ads! Again, thanks! | | | | Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,101 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,101 | I have a basic headlight question. When I switch from low-beam to hi-beam, does the low-beam turn off when the hi-beam comes on or are both on? I am re-wiring from scratch. It seems simple but then I started over thinking it.
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| | | | | Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,192 Insomniac | | Insomniac Joined: Jul 2000 Posts: 2,192 | Low beam is off when the high beam is on.
Gord 🇨🇦 ---- 1954 1/2 ton 235 4 speed | | | | | Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,778 Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) | | Kettle Custodian (pot stirrer) Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 29,778 | It's an either/or situation that can be confirmed with a test light or a voltmeter at the dimmer switch. That's why there are two filament connectors and one ground pin on a sealed beam bulb. Jerry
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| | | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,772 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,772 | What about 4 headlight sealed beam systems? Both high and low beam lamps illuminate when high beam switch is activated.
Why the difference between 4 lamp and 2 lamp sealed beam systems?
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,052 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,052 | I think it's the same way with 4 headlight systems. I just looked up a '59 car wiring diagram (has the 4 headlight system) and they're separate circuits from the dimmer switch, and I doubt that the dimmer switch is any different than the 2 headlight system. Per the GMPartswiki, the dimmer switch was the same from 55.2 thru 60 for Chev & GMC trucks.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,772 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,772 | The switch is the same and the wiring is probably the same but when the high beams are turned on in a quad lamp system, all four headlamps are on.
Why would a dual headlamp system work differently - turning off the low beams and turning on the high beams when the high beam button is pressed?
So what's the answer to the original question?
With dual headlamp systems, are both filaments lit when the high beam button is pressed the way they are in quad lamp systems?
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,052 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,052 | The switch is the same and the wiring is probably the same but when the high beams are turned on in a quad lamp system, all four headlamps are on. Are you sure about that? I don't have an example, but on a 55.2 truck (2 headlamp system) and 59 truck (4 headlamp system) with the same switch and wiring, that can't happen. Maybe on SOME 4 headlamp systems that's true, but not on a Chevy truck. The individual filaments are NOT on at the same time in a 2 headlamp system. Maybe done that way to prevent excess heat which would cause shortened life of the bulb.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,772 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,772 | Ok, Misunderstood your previous post. The dimmer switch is the same but the rest isn't.
So low beams are off when high beams are on in a dual headlamp system, correct?
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,052 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,052 | So low beams are off when high beams are on in a dual headlamp system, correct? That's what I'm understanding from looking at wiring diagrams. I recall seeing some 4 headlamp systems with all 4 bulbs lit, but that wouldn't apply to the '59-60 Chevys.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 2,063 Big Bolt Forum Moderator | | Big Bolt Forum Moderator Joined: Dec 2015 Posts: 2,063 | 4 headlight system, inner headlights are dual filament, just like a 2 headlight system, and they operate the same way. The outer 2 headlights are high beam only, so...
Dimmer switch on low, you get the low beam filament on the inner 2 headlights.
Dimmer switch on high, low beam filaments shut off, high beam filaments on the inner headlights come on, as well as the outer 2 (high beam only filament) | | | | | Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,772 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Oct 2021 Posts: 6,772 | Gotcha. I never knew that.
1950 Chevrolet 3100 (Ol' Roy)
1939 Packard Standard Eight Coupe (The Phantom) | 1956 Cadillac Coupe de Ville (The Bismarck) | 1964 Ford Galaxie 500 coupe |1966 Ford Mustang (Little Red) | 1969 Pontiac GTO (The Dishpit) I 1979 Ford F-100 | 1976 Ford F-150 (Big Red) | 1995 Ford F-150 (Newt)
| | | | | Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,052 Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums | | Housekeeping (Moderator) Making a Stovebolt Bed & Paint and Body Shop Forums Joined: May 2015 Posts: 11,052 | Mike is correct, only the dual filament bulbs go on the outside, so low beams are on the outer part of the vehicle. I should have seen that on the wiring diagram I found here. Should have looked closer. Still separate low and high beam circuits, that are not active at the same time.
Kevin 1951 Chevy 3100 work truckFollow this saga in Project JournalPhotos 1929 Ford pickup restored from the ground up. | 1929 Ford Special Coupe (First car) Busting rust since the mid-60's If you're smart enough to take it apart, you darn well better be smart enough to put it back together. | | | | | Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,449 'Bolter | | 'Bolter Joined: Jan 2022 Posts: 2,449 | Outer lamps are dual beam (high or low) while inner lamps are high beam only like Kevin said above.
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