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#1502946 05/31/2023 11:32 AM
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What is the difference in power needs between a 45 amp and a 20 amp starter?
Which would require more power from the battery? SBC chevy.


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Power is rated in watts. Watts = voltage times current in amps. So, if this is a 12 volt system the 45 amp starter would produce 540 watts and the 20 amp starter would produce 240 watts.

But I don't think any of this is relevant because I've never heard of starters for small block Chevys that would operate at such low current.


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Generators and alternators are rated in amps, I've never seen a starter rated that way. Horsepower and torque would be more relative to a starter rating. SBC starter would draw 150 - 250 amps.


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A 45 amp starter might crank a Briggs & Stratton lawn mower engine, but I doubt it.
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So really confused now. Here are the specs on 2 different starters.
The 45 preforms well. The 20 does not.
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The so called 20 amp says 1.7K for watts. That is 142 amps.

The so called 45 amp gives watts as 1KWH.

Kwh is usually a utility co. usage billing value.

Not sure where your charts come from? The Amazon info seems bogus. Ignore it.

Buy a starter from a reputable company for the year and model of motor. An AC Delco (rebuild) with a reasonable warranty would be good.

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Thank you Bartamos !!


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Go to Rock Auto. You can look at the specs of each starter that's listed for the year make and model vehicle you're searching for.


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One thing is for sure, real application to the truck and it prefers the 45 amp starter.
Truck does not like the 20 amp starter.
Dis-liking means intermediate cranking .
Rebuilt AC Delco starter sounds like a good option. I actually have one of those.
I`d have to test it.

But for now....45


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You are kind of on the wrong track with your description of starters. Generators and alternators produce amps. Starters draw amps. I have not seen a starter sold by specifying amps. They have so called heavy duty/high torque and all that jazz and GM spec sheets have some test data. The starter will pull BIG amps. I quess you have a 327. Maybe you have a high compression motor or new rebuilt motor which may be why a certain starter does not perform. Seems the numbers you have are "no load" test Amps. Don't know.
Anyway, they are not relatable. Except to show one is higher than another.


You can get some insight from GM testing data shown in yearly spec sheets. Showing how much they draw.

Example from GM:
1953 Chevy Truck with 6 cylinder, 6V Delco starter.
Load test:
Locked: 525 amps/3.4V
No load: 65 amps/5V
Torque 12 ft lb
RPM 5000


By 1966 they were talking optional "heavy duty" starter. 6 and 8 cylinders got "bigger:. As some 327 were 10.5:1 compression ratio. GM was using words like "High Torque" for everything.
The 6 cylinder starter test results were:
Delco no load 12V starter: 49A-76A/10.6V
RPM: 6200-9400

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Thanks man, IDK much about these sort of things. Only I can do the work
and do the best I can. With another 1958 with a newly rebuilt 327 the
powermaster works fine(3year old starter). Same rewire ,same everything to my knowledge.
This other newly rebuilt 327 will not work right (start)with the same rewire
same starter.
With me and my experience, bad parts and replacement "things" seems to be running rampant.
Popsicle stick ignition, bad starters , steering boxes, HEI ign modules.There is more.

Some things work well. I think rebuilding original equitment would
be my 1st choice from now on. My next project is a 235 witha 58 panel I will
try and keep original. The 235 ran when last used(fingers crossed ,will take the man at his word)
I`m sure things will come up. The flywheel is getting turned at the moment.
I will clean the engine as best I can and supply new clutch ,pressure plate, carb.
I have 2 original 3 speeds. and a warner 3 speed OD transmissions to work with.
I am kinda proud of myself lately for fitting a M-22 RC in my 58 step and a M-20 in my 59.
Hurst comp + shifter to move it as far forward as possible and shims to move it
more to center. Where REVERSE will not hit your leg. It takes 2 handles
I plan on taking pics of the "mod" in hopes of helping others with the same thought in mind.


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Good work. I love the TF panels.

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Me too!. I don`t see alot of them. 1/2 ton 6 lug.
Most were used and abused.
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